Art De La Guerre

[KevinD]

If you need to shift friendly units to be able to pursue, can you do so, or is the unit not allowed to pursue in that case.

For example if you destroy a HI or Mounted from the flank and rear, then the unit in the rear will be in the way of the unit on the flank pursuing. Can you shift the unit in the rear back to make room for the flank unit to pursue? Does it matter if the flank unit is impetuous or an elephant or the rear unit is lights?

I couldn’t see anything allowing shifts in such cases so I assume if friends block your path, you cannot pursue. No?

[lionelrus]

YES
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[daveallen]

[Mike Bennett]

[daveallen]

There is no provision in the Pursuit rule for friendly units to be shifted by the pursuing unit.

A partial exception to this would be where the pursuing unit contacts new enemy and has to conform, but there any shifting happens as a consequence of the Conformation rule.

Another would be if either of the victorious units was LI. Then a full distance pursuit with interpenetration would be possible and any shifting necessary would be under the Interpenetration rule.

To answer Mike's question - I'd say that remaining stationary can't be a pursuit move so if the unit in the rear was impetuous it must pursue (unless it was foot and the routers were mounted, obvs). Nice try though


Dave
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[lionelrus]

[Dickstick]

Is more than one question at a time too much for you lionel,?
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[AlanCutner]

I understood that if two units were contacted by a flank charge the rear unit was immediately moved backward so the front of each unit was 1 UD apart. In which case there would be no obstacle to a pursuit. See 'Columns attacked from flank' P54

Eg HI units X and Y in column facing right, contacted to flank by unit A
_XXXYYY
_XXXYYY
_XXXYYY
_XXXYYY
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___AAAA
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becomes
XXX_YYY
XXX_YYY
XXX_YYY
XXX_YYY
___AAAA
___AAAA
___AAAA

[KevinD]

Alan, you wouldn’t happen to know where in the rules this is coming from, do you?

All I’m aware of is the errata to p54 which is about two units hitting one enemy in both flanks shift forward to maintain contact as the enemy confirms to the primary flank attack.

Special conformation (page 54)
There is another specific case when a unit is attacked on both flanks and have to conform:
(Snip diagram I couldn’t copy)
A is conforming on 1
2 is moved to stay in contact with A

[AlanCutner]

[KevinD]

I agree if the enemy is in column - an enemy could not then block your pursuit.

But what about if the unit behind the enemy was a friend? Does it move back like an enemy attached in column would?

[daveallen]

Nice catch, Alan.

It will depend on which attacker is the main unit in the melee.

If the flanker is first to make contact then as the rout happens the routing unit will be turned 90° before it routs and pushes the melee support in its rear back to corner to corner contact with the flanking unit.

If the rear unit is the main unit this won't happen.

Dave
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[lionelrus]

[Za Otlichiye]

I assume, as a practical matter, pursuit is used to break into an enemy line, in preparation for turning to the flank next turn. Pursuit from a flank or rear has pretty much already acheived that.

There are no rules about shifting for pursuit, so at best this seems to be a request for a change.

[Brave Coeur]

I would like to add, that the pursuit move is the result of a continuous fight. As a consequence of that, the next fight of our pusuing unit is not considered a new fight (ie no impact, jav, etc...) for the next melee phase.

In that spirit, the pursuit move done during the rout phase should be considered as a continuous move also. And any melee supporting unit should also be intermingled or pushed or following or making room during that fight (who knows what happen in a melle, it is just a simulation). So in that situation and in that state of mind I would allow the flanking unit to pursuit and of course, to push back the rear unit in the path, actually an ENY one like in the column of Alan, or a friendly one like in our Kevin case.

Be aware that if Hervé had decided to put all our units on a UDxUD square like it was it is intent at the begining, that situation neither happened.

Hope to be helpfull.
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