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Graeme Ralph
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 20, 2024 1:34 am    Sujet du message: Deployment of Heavy Artillery Répondre en citant
Can heavy artillery deploy in rough terrain? The deployment rules state "No unit can be deployed in a coastal zone, a river or in a terrain element in which it cannot move (e.g. artillery in difficult terrain) unless on a road." As heavy artillery cannot move in any terrain, is it still restricted?
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 20, 2024 5:50 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
That would be the most direct reading of the rules.

Else one would have the strange situation where mobile artillery was not allowed to be deployed in difficult terrain but heavy artillery could be.

If you cant move in it you cant deploy in it, and Heavy Artillery can't move in any terrain.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 20, 2024 8:31 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Heavy Artillery can be deployed in Rough terrain, but not in Difficult.

Heavy Artillery can "move" (by pivoting) it just can't advance.

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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 20, 2024 3:08 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
daveallen a écrit:
Heavy Artillery can be deployed in Rough terrain, but not in Difficult.

Heavy Artillery can "move" (by pivoting) it just can't advance.

Dave



Well, let me ask you two questions. 1. Why do you think it can be deployed in rough? 2. If you think it can be deployed in rough why do you think it cannot be deployed in difficult?
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 20, 2024 10:47 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Steve R,

Right hand side of page 78, second paragraph specifically states that heavy artillery are not allowed to deploy in difficult terrain.

I would argue that the above-referenced paragraph is not exhaustive and that heavy artillery cannot deploy in any terrain.

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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 20, 2024 11:00 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Longtooth a écrit:
Steve R,

Right hand side of page 78, second paragraph specifically states that heavy artillery are not allowed to deploy in difficult terrain.

I would argue that the above-referenced paragraph is not exhaustive and that heavy artillery cannot deploy in any terrain.

Jesse


Gentle Hills are Terrain (features) and I believe that Heavy Artillery can be deployed on them.
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Sheesh… what’s next up in this “things that no one would ever want to do anyway† thread? 

How many Heavy Artillery can deploy on the head of a pin? 

Can Heavy Artillery move through the eye of a needle ? 
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MessagePosté le: Mer Fév 21, 2024 12:12 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Yeah, but can heavy artillery deploy on a brush covered hill behind a fortification?-)
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Longtooth a écrit:
Steve R,

Right hand side of page 78, second paragraph specifically states that heavy artillery are not allowed to deploy in difficult terrain.

I would argue that the above-referenced paragraph is not exhaustive and that heavy artillery cannot deploy in any terrain.

Jesse



Hi Jesse - I think we agree on the final answer, that heavy artillery may not deploy in any terrain, but take a look at page 78 again. It does not say "heavy" artillery, it says just "artillery" No artillery has a movement allowance in difficult going.

Mobile artillery may deploy in rough going because it has a movement factor there per page 29.

So for those who think heavy artillery may deploy in rough my question remains - why do you think so, since it does not have any movement allowance in rough?

Tim - it actually is a valid question because deploying artillery in rough going can be a good thing. It does not suffer any combat disadvantage there and it is protective against heavy foot, mounted and of course the incredibly effective War Wagons with Blades. Of course it does slow one down quite a bit.

For what it is worth I think all artillery (and the camp) may deploy on a gentle hill also. This is what I took away from a V3 discussion (still available if you search for it) A hill is a terrain feature, and heavy artillery lacks a movement rate there but page 70 and 71 say gentle hills are open terrain.
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madaxeman a écrit:
Sheesh… what’s next up in this “things that no one would ever want to do anyway† thread? 

How many Heavy Artillery can deploy on the head of a pin? 

Can Heavy Artillery move through the eye of a needle ? 


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Graeme Ralph
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Fév 22, 2024 12:32 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Gents,

Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this topic. The rules seem clear on this topic: heavy artillery may not deploy in any "terrain element". The term "terrain element" is defined on page 70 under the header "Terrain Size and Shape" and includes rivers, coasts, hills, brushes, plantations, fields, woods, marshes, gullies, sand dunes, villages and roads(!).

In regard to the deployment of a camp on a gentle hill, the rules allow the camp to be deployed on "open terrain", which a gentle hill is, so it is a valid deployment.
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Fév 22, 2024 10:43 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
a new clarification will come soon.
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madaxeman a écrit:
Sheesh… what’s next up in this “things that no one would ever want to do anyway† thread? 
 

Iñaki likes to deploy his Heavy Artillery on a rough gentle hill when he gets the chance. Which, given it's Iñaki, is about 80% of the time he takes a unit.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 27, 2024 1:42 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
For those watching here the new errata clarifies this.

Heavy artillery can only be deployed in clear terrain. It cannot be deployed on a road that crosses rough or difficult terrain.
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