Art De La Guerre

[SteveR]

I played against a Byzantine today with Incendiary LI.

Incendiary troops get a +1 when fighting War Wagons in Melee.

Which would be nice but per page 42 the light infantry cannot charge the War Wagons.

And non blade War Wagons cannot contact the Light Infantry either.

So unless of course the wagons are running around in rough or difficult terrain I'm not sure how useful that +1 is.

Probably would not matter as the LI is almost always better off shooting but I do wonder if this is an oversight.

V3 the LI could not contact WWG.

[Dickstick]

LI go in as simple support .
Wwg usually pick on LI second round not so keen v incendiary.
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[Hazelbark]

So the +1 is for "shooting and fighting against war wagons and elephants."
There were put together for simplicity.

You are correct there are very few situations that the fighting vs WWG would apply.

Dickstick:
There have been some subtle changes to the LI rules in v4, to note.

p62, right column. once the LI becomes the main unit they go poof.

[Dickstick]

Now that is bizarre.
LI left on their own at the end of a melee break off.
LI helping a mate who fails to kill the WWg gets picked on and dies automatically.
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[SteveR]

Thank you Dan, I had not figured out how that bit with page 62 worked into the situation.

a +1 shooting factor against a protection of +2 that is set to zero is a pretty good deal anyway. No reason to take your canister of naphtha into a fight.

but if the LI does choose to come in to remove an overlap, well "If you come for the king, you best not miss"

[Za Otlichiye]

Note that page 62 does not match page 13.

[KevinD]

[daveallen]

[Hazelbark]

[Za Otlichiye]

The factors would count in rough/difficult, but that's not very persuasive,

It is possible that bladed and un-bladed WWg are treated differently. I assumed that like elephants they are lethal but clumsy so LI can avoid damage.

It would also be helpful to know if Incendiary is or is not canceled by flank/rear attack.

And if LI with Incendiary should count against SCh as Javelin does.

And should Incendiary cancel Armour like Furious Charge does?

[daveallen]

[Laurence]

[Hazelbark]

El Kreator and I discussed. So i am here the imprefect conveyor of information.
The next FAQ will delete from p62 right column first bullet "wwg". ie P 13 is accurate.

This will need to be scrutinzed in other places as well. The idea is LI may move to support another unit fighting a WWG. The LI can not be the first to charge. So the LI moves into support front edge contact. Then if the WWG makes the LI the main combat unit, you will then use bullet 3 on p 62 and p54 and the LI is moved away 1 UD

[SteveR]

We'll see what the FAQ update says, but if all it does is delete "WWG" from page 62 that still leaves me with a question.


When the WWg designates the LI as the primary opponent and the LI is forced to move away does this then take the place of the melee that turn, and no dice are rolled against the other unit? Can't have two primary units in one turn after all.

Because if this is the case all that happens is a turn with no dicing. The next turn the LI can move back into contact as that player will designate the other unit as the primary one in the melee. And if the LI are less than one UD away it does not even cost a CP. (Page 54 specifies that distance as "up to" one UD)

[Hazelbark]