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DieselDave
Auxiliaire
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Localisation: Creuse , Central France
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Surely the rule represents the artillery firing from within the front ranks of the unit rather than actually over it?
As such I would have though it can't fire 'over' the unit if it is in combat as the artillery would have retired to the rear. |
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ethan
Signifer
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| Posté le: Dim Juil 04, 2021 2:52 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Mike Bennett a écrit: | | There is a debate going on about shooting over a unit actually in combat, which does not seem to be forbidden by the rules either. |
Doesn't p. 57 "Line of Sight" prohibit this?
A unit cannot shoot at an enemy unit it cannot see, such as:
- Units hidden behind terrarin, or behind a friendly or enemy unit.
Yes you can shoot over your friend, but your friend is in combat with an enemy you can't shoot over... |
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Mike Bennett
Centurion
Inscrit le: 11 Nov 2017
Messages: 497
Localisation: Carnforth, Lancashire, UK
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| Posté le: Dim Juil 04, 2021 4:08 pm Sujet du message: |
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| ethan a écrit: |
Doesn't p. 57 "Line of Sight" prohibit this?
A unit cannot shoot at an enemy unit it cannot see, such as:
- Units hidden behind terrarin, or behind a friendly or enemy unit.
Yes you can shoot over your friend, but your friend is in combat with an enemy you can't shoot over... |
But your friend might be in combat with enemy light infantry in bad terrain, and you can shoot over both elements normally. Nb a bit of an edge case I agree |
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2009
Messages: 4718
Localisation: paris
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| Posté le: Dim Juil 04, 2021 5:26 pm Sujet du message: |
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| ethan a écrit: | | Mike Bennett a écrit: | | There is a debate going on about shooting over a unit actually in combat, which does not seem to be forbidden by the rules either. |
Doesn't p. 57 "Line of Sight" prohibit this?
A unit cannot shoot at an enemy unit it cannot see, such as:
- Units hidden behind terrarin, or behind a friendly or enemy unit.
Yes you can shoot over your friend, but your friend is in combat with an enemy you can't shoot over... |
It's not the good way: when integrated artillery shoot over legions, the have not line of sight...
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Dickstick
Légat
Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2016
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Localisation: West Bromwich
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| Posté le: Lun Aoû 09, 2021 3:08 pm Sujet du message: |
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Will this get sorted soon?
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KevinD
Légat
Inscrit le: 23 Aoû 2021
Messages: 501
Localisation: Texas
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| Posté le: Sam Sep 18, 2021 1:41 am Sujet du message: |
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| Dickstick a écrit: | | Will this get sorted soon? |
The Sept 2021 Errata solves this. They can shoot over friends they can normally shoot over that are in Simple Support but not those in Melee or Melee Support. |
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ALEXANDER
Vétéran
Inscrit le: 28 Déc 2021
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| Posté le: Dim Déc 18, 2022 10:36 pm Sujet du message: |
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If artillery wants to fire over friendly light troops, it must be 1 UD away from the artillery and the target. However, the integrated artillery is automatically 1 UD behind its front unit. Is it allowed to place 1 Li in front of this front unit,
which then gives the artillery a shooting support?
Or does the Li has to be 1 UD away from the front unit?
...because the shooting range is measured from the front unit? |
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KevinD
Légat
Inscrit le: 23 Aoû 2021
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Localisation: Texas
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| Posté le: Dim Déc 18, 2022 10:44 pm Sujet du message: |
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| I take this to mean everything shooting related is measured from the unit it is integrated with, thus they have to be 1 UD from the front unit. |
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ALEXANDER
Vétéran
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| Posté le: Dim Déc 18, 2022 10:58 pm Sujet du message: |
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Ok
..and it is true ...
that light artillery can move up to 3 UD outside tactical distance of enemy?
....if it is alined behind the unit it is integrated with?
Romans can integrade their light artillery to auxillaries.
Does this include Auxiliaries Sagitarii (Bowmen)?
Can those Artilleries (integrated to Bowmen) move through rough terrain with speed 3UD too? |
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KevinD
Légat
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Localisation: Texas
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| Posté le: Lun Déc 19, 2022 3:11 am Sujet du message: |
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| ALEXANDER a écrit: | Ok
..and it is true ...
1. that light artillery can move up to 3 UD outside tactical distance of enemy?
....if it is alined behind the unit it is integrated with?
2. Romans can integrade their light artillery to auxillaries.
3. Does this include Auxiliaries Sagitarii (Bowmen)?
4. Can those Artilleries (integrated to Bowmen) move through rough terrain with speed 3UD too? |
[Edited above to add numbering of questions - KD]
1. No, Integrated Light Artillery are not HI and don’t move like them.
2 & 3.
A) LIR - Not all auxilia, only Auxilia Palatina, not Sagitarii or Pseudocomitatenses.
B) EIR/MIR - I suspect not but would like to hear the author’s intent here. I think he meant integrated with Auxiliaries full stop only (perhaps by analogy with LIR) , not Auxiliaries Sagittarii, but as I said I am uncertain about this point. Are you aware of any historical record of them being used this way?
4. It doesn’t matter who they are integrated with, they move like mobile artillery: 2 UD in Open, 1 UD in Rough and 0 in Difficult. |
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Za Otlichiye
Signifer
Inscrit le: 07 Sep 2021
Messages: 341
Localisation: Lovecraft country (and you Dan?)
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| Posté le: Mer Déc 28, 2022 10:38 pm Sujet du message: |
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What about Dick's other question? Can you shoot at integrated artillery rather than its paired unit despite the LOS and Target Priority rules?
(In reality, I believe the mathematics of area fire means the artillery and integrated unit should both take all the hits. But it's only a game...) |
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