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warlordNZ1
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Inscrit le: 31 Jan 2017 Messages: 22
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Posté le: Lun Fév 01, 2021 4:13 am Sujet du message: Elephants V Pike |
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Combat factors for Elephant V Pike if the Elephant charges the Pike's front edge.
Elephant, 1 (loses Impact factor) + Furious Charge effect if wins the melee V Pike, 2 (no Impact V Elephants )
Is this correct ?
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Black Prince
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Inscrit le: 17 Oct 2016 Messages: 290
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Posté le: Lun Fév 01, 2021 7:24 am Sujet du message: |
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No, The Elephant does not lose its impact bonus Elephant +1 +1 (impact=+2 and furious charge if it wins vs Pike +2. |
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Lun Fév 01, 2021 11:32 am Sujet du message: |
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Yes, only LI, LH and LMIjavelin cancel éléphant' impact. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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warlordNZ1
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Posté le: Lun Fév 01, 2021 7:22 pm Sujet du message: |
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The definition of Heavy Spearmen/Pikemen, page 14, states that "Heavy Spearmen - In addition they cancel the impact ability of mounted troops if they receive the charge on their front edge"
"Pikemen - They have the same advantages as spearmen against mounted"
So is this cancelled somewhere else in the Rules ? |
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Lun Fév 01, 2021 7:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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READ ALL THE F***ING BULLETS, PLEASE ! _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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Mike Bennett
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Posté le: Lun Fév 01, 2021 11:01 pm Sujet du message: |
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Hi
It says, pg 21 “  * Cancels impact of Mounted except elephant if receiving the charge on its front. Furious charge is still applicable†|
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warlordNZ1
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Posté le: Mar Fév 02, 2021 7:25 pm Sujet du message: |
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Many Thanks Black Prince, Mike & lionelrus.
Mike, Page 21 refers to Command, have you made a slight error with the page number ?
Dernière édition par warlordNZ1 le Mer Fév 10, 2021 10:13 am; édité 2 fois |
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Mike Bennett
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Posté le: Mar Fév 02, 2021 9:22 pm Sujet du message: |
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Sorry you are right it is pg 21 on the pdf counting the front cover. It is actually Page 20, in with the foot characteristics and combat factors tables |
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Mer Fév 03, 2021 5:45 pm Sujet du message: |
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Mike Bennett a écrit: | Sorry you are right it is pg 21 on the pdf counting the front cover. It is actually Page 20, in with the foot characteristics and combat factors tables |
And also P14, if you read the full bullet. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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Mike Bennett
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Posté le: Mer Fév 03, 2021 5:55 pm Sujet du message: |
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lionelrus a écrit: | Mike Bennett a écrit: | Sorry you are right it is pg 21 on the pdf counting the front cover. It is actually Page 20, in with the foot characteristics and combat factors tables |
And also P14, if you read the full bullet. |
sorry to be daft, but
I have now found it in the bullets on page 17
I cannot even see any bullets on page 14, except those referring to artillery. I see notes on spears not having their own impact against elephants, but nothing about cancelling that of the elephant:
Heavy spearmen: These troops are equipped with a long spear and fight shoulder to shoulder in a shield-wall formation. They are at a great disadvantage in rough or difficult terrain. Their use of spears combined with their close formation gives them the impact ability when they face mounted units other than elephants. In addition they cancel the impact ability of mounted troops if they receive the charge on their front edge. Greek hoplites and most medieval spearmen fall into this category |
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Mer Fév 03, 2021 8:02 pm Sujet du message: |
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You're right, Mike. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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