Art De La Guerre

Jhykronos · Auxiliaire Inscrit le: 02 Ao� 2015 Messages: 95

I just finished painting my Tannenberg Medieval Poles a few weeks ago. Did half my "followers" as crossbows, half as lancers, as the v3 list allowed both options.

I got my v4 rules in the mail today.

And suddenly I can't use followers with lance (impact heavy cavalry) before 1455!
(And why not? The Poles certainly had them...)

So, anyway, is there another army out there where 4 stands of impact cavalry with Heater Shields and Late 14th / Early 15th century german-style armour would fit in?
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Longtooth · Post� le: Mer Mai 19, 2021 12:20 pm Sujet du message:

Best fit would probably be Hussite. If you do not want to use them post 1455, you could always give them away Smile

Jesse

Dickstick · Post� le: Mer Mai 19, 2021 10:05 pm Sujet du message:

I painted six blocks of Egyptian pike during lockdown. I was seriously struggling to find figures to complete the job.
Now there are only four required. I feal your pain.

Practically every list has fewer compulsory troops but my byzantine is saddled with two more expensive cavalry that messes up a well worn list composition.

There are lots of winners in the changes and few losers.

There is plenty of list development work to be done creating a reason for more happy gaming.
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Jhykronos · Auxiliaire Inscrit le: 02 Ao� 2015 Messages: 95

Jhykronos · Auxiliaire Inscrit le: 02 Ao� 2015 Messages: 95

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1537

I suspect the theory is the followers with lance are part of the units of knights if they are numerous and did not function independently. Looking at the Feudal Polish list there seems to be a progression toward Knights for the hard charging types.

Its not my period but that is I would hazard a guess as possible.

Jhykronos · Auxiliaire Inscrit le: 02 Ao� 2015 Messages: 95

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1537

Yes annoying, but one of the inevitable problems when lists are updated.

But to be honest the V4 is much more viable than the v3 list.

Ramses II · Post� le: Jeu Mai 20, 2021 10:52 pm Sujet du message:

Don't forget the history of ancients rules development; the earlier versions of lists were based almost entirely on DBM lists that were created several decades ago, themselves derived from WRG and earlier research. The current lists come from a different author with access to more recent research from wider sources thanks to the internet.

Furthermore, they have been adapted (slightly) to allow more historical representations eg Roman light artillery used in conjunction with legionaries and the introduction of Polearm weapons.

Jhykronos · Auxiliaire Inscrit le: 02 Ao� 2015 Messages: 95

Jhykronos · Auxiliaire Inscrit le: 02 Ao� 2015 Messages: 95

Gingerdave · Barbare Inscrit le: 15 Sep 2017 Messages: 29

The old Medieval Scandinavian list had some very useful Obudshaer with Halberds - Medium Swordsmen 2HW Armour.

One of the better rough terrain troops (OK, there was that one time I lost a unit to some LI Javelin in rough going Rolling Eyes

) and they could work alongside the knights for a charge into the enemy main force. They were very useful when the enemy had a few pike blocks.

Now they're just Medium Swordsmen Polearm. Not bad, but nowhere near as good as they used to be.

So I have 8 bases with 3 foot knights on each and much less to do.

I will just have to buy some longbows to let them function as late medieval Medium Swordsmen Longbow Wink

. It's a hard life Laughing

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