Art De La Guerre

[Ballista]

Impetuous Heavy Infantry - Movement costs outside 4UD of enemy

Heavy infantry starting a move in the operational zone may advance 3UD instead of 2UD

If they choose to only advance 2UD in the operational zone, how many CPs does this cost 1 or 2 ?

What happens if they choose or can only move between 2 and 3UD when they start in the operational zone

Is this 1 or 2CPs ?

[KevinD]

[Snowhitsky]

There is no room for interpretation as the rules clearly state (i will shamelessly copy/paste your line Ballista as I don't have the rules to hand):

P 34, “Difficult Maneuvers”, last bullet, “An advance of less than a units full movement allowance (less any road bonus) …” cost an extra CP as a difficult move.

Non-impetuous troops get to choose how far they move for 1 CP. It costs impetuous troops 2 CP if they move less than their full move. That can be less than 3UD in operational zone or less than 1UD in a wood for impetuous HI. It doesn't matter what the situation is. Move less than your full move and you pay the points.

[AlanCutner]

[Snowhitsky]

[Za Otlichiye]

It's not quite white as snow. The parentheses around less any road bonus suggest it is a reminder rather than a necessary exception. Why would it be a reminder? Because the language on page 29 emphasizes that the road bonus is a player's choice. But the HI boost in the operational zone is presented as something of a choice too (may) rather than simply a different movement allowance in a different zone.

Ballista's other question also applies to the road bonus. Can an Impetuous unit use only a ½UD road bonus without CP penalty? Perhaps the any in the less any road bonus answers that.

[Hazelbark]

There are two questions at hand:

1) Is the HI moving only 2UD instead of 3 UD beyond tactical distance a 2 CP move.

A) El Kreator ruled somewhere (I think forum) that it is an optional 1 extra and therefore does not trigger the 2nd CP cost. i.e 1 CP.


2) Is HI moving other than 2 or 3 UD due to road or beyond tactical also only 1 CP or is it 2 CP? i.E. is exercising the 1/2 UD discretion triggering the unmanuverable CP penalty?

B) We do not have an El Kreator reply to this.

[Ramses II]

I agree that increasing the movement allowance by road is optional, as noted by KevinD. Otherwise a line of units located across a road would automatically become split up etc. 

I think the intention behind increasing Heavy Infanty movement outside Operational Zone was to speed up the game, allowing these troops the option of moving faster in the early stages of the game. However, as Snowhitsky says, the (English) text does not make this ‘operational’ manoeuvring optional. 

As Commodore says, we must await the decision of ElKreator. 

[Ramses II]

The oracle has spoken, so this is the official answer:-

When a unit moves on a road, moving the extra 1UD is always optional. 

When HI move outside 4UD from an enemy their normal movement is 3UD, so anything less is a difficult move for Impetuous HI, which therefore costs 2CP. 

[vexillia]

Can the OP please add [Resolved] to the thread title for future reference.
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[KevinD]

[Dickstick]

That's not harsh. You are under a miss interpretation .
If some of the HI group are within 4ud then the group move is 2ud max.
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[KevinD]

[Snowhitsky]

It's in the general rules. A group moves at the speed of the slowest unit. So if one unit of a group is within 4UD of the enemy the entire HI group's movement allowance is 2 UD. If they mive 2 UD then it's 1 CP.

[Ramses II]

The same restriction applies to impetuous troops where part of the group are in penalising terrain.

Moral: avoid putting your troops into this situation where possible, or perhaps consider only moving part of the group . . .