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KevinD
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Inscrit le: 23 Aoû 2021 Messages: 501
Localisation: Texas
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Posté le: Dim Déc 12, 2021 2:06 pm Sujet du message: Do enemy block ZOCs? |
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The rules do not say that enemy units block ZOCs (unless I missed something). Is it correct that one enemy unit between a friend and another enemy does not block ZOCs on the other enemy unit?
For example, assume my unit #1 ZOCs enemy unit A, but he interpositions a another unit (B) between a my unit (#1) and his units (A), does this cut #1’s ZOC on A?
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or even
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In either of these cases does B block 1’s. ZOC on B?
If I missed something and enemy units block ZOCs what is required to do so? How much does the second enemy unit have to intervene to cut the ZOC?
Note, this is not about most threatening enemy, just whether the ZOC is exerted at all on the further enemy? |
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madaxeman
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2014 Messages: 1474
Localisation: Londres Centraal.
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Posté le: Dim Déc 12, 2021 4:03 pm Sujet du message: |
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KevinD a écrit: | The rules do not say that enemy units block ZOCs (unless I missed something). Is it correct that one enemy unit between a friend and another enemy does not block ZOCs on the other enemy unit?
For example, assume my unit #1 ZOCs enemy unit A, but he interpositions a another unit (B) between a my unit (#1) and his units (A), does this cut #1’s ZOC on A?
11111111
…………..BBBBBBBBBB
AAAAAAAA
or even
11111111111
BBBBBBBBBBB
AAAAAAAAAAA
In either of these cases does B block 1’s. ZOC on B?
If I missed something and enemy units block ZOCs what is required to do so? How much does the second enemy unit have to intervene to cut the ZOC?
Note, this is not about most threatening enemy, just whether the ZOC is exerted at all on the further enemy? |
I'm a bit confused as to who's the enemy and who's the friend in your post, but however its read you've either missed the 3rd bullet point on p35 under "Definition", or the the 4th bullet on p38 "Exceptions to ZoC" _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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Za Otlichiye
Signifer
Inscrit le: 07 Sep 2021 Messages: 341
Localisation: Lovecraft country (and you Dan?)
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Posté le: Dim Déc 12, 2021 6:49 pm Sujet du message: |
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As MX says, B blocks 1's ZOC in the second diagram as it completely masks A. But not in the first diagram, where A would be limited in how it could move.
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Given the size of unit bases, B would be a few millimeters from 1.
B is directly in front and closest, so it is the most threatening enemy and would be who 1 has to charge anyway..
It's messier if B is facing away. Then A is the most threatening (in the first diagram) and because 1 can slide and advance into contact with A, it would not be able to hit B |
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KevinD
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Inscrit le: 23 Aoû 2021 Messages: 501
Localisation: Texas
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Posté le: Dim Déc 12, 2021 11:37 pm Sujet du message: |
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madaxeman a écrit: | KevinD a écrit: | The rules do not say that enemy units block ZOCs (unless I missed something). Is it correct that one enemy unit between a friend and another enemy does not block ZOCs on the other enemy unit?
For example, assume my unit #1 ZOCs enemy unit A, but he interpositions a another unit (B) between a my unit (#1) and his units (A), does this cut #1’s ZOC on A?
11111111
…………..BBBBBBBBBB
AAAAAAAA
or even
11111111111
BBBBBBBBBBB
AAAAAAAAAAA
In either of these cases does B block 1’s. ZOC on B?
If I missed something and enemy units block ZOCs what is required to do so? How much does the second enemy unit have to intervene to cut the ZOC?
Note, this is not about most threatening enemy, just whether the ZOC is exerted at all on the further enemy? |
I'm a bit confused as to who's the enemy and who's the friend in your post, but however its read you've either missed the 3rd bullet point on p35 under "Definition", or the the 4th bullet on p38 "Exceptions to ZoC" |
Thank you I had missed the 4th bullet under on p 38 regarding exceptions.
So in the above, A exerts a ZOC on A in the first diagram (where B only partially intervenes) tree nest) but not the second (where B completely intervenes between 1 and A. |
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Mike Bennett
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Inscrit le: 11 Nov 2017 Messages: 490
Localisation: Carnforth, Lancashire, UK
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Posté le: Lun Déc 13, 2021 11:34 am Sujet du message: |
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NB: If you can interpenetrate your friend he does not block your ZoC. Eg LF infront of heavy troops |
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Hazelbark
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1544
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Posté le: Lun Déc 13, 2021 4:18 pm Sujet du message: |
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Kevin,
p 38 "entirely behind friendly unit."
So Side A can block side B. But a unit still has a zoc on the unobstructed area.
Side B does not block the ZOC of Side B units they can interpenetrate. (p 35) |
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Ramses II
Magister Militum
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Localisation: London
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Posté le: Lun Déc 13, 2021 6:46 pm Sujet du message: |
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Agreed. Using the OP diagrams, unit A exerts a ZOC through B and on to 1.
Unit B blocks the ZOC of unit 1 provided it covers the entire front edge of unit 1. |
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