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DieselDave
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Posté le: Lun Juin 28, 2021 5:49 pm Sujet du message: A valid group? |
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I can't find this in the rulebook although I'm sure it is there somewhere...
Is this a valid group...?
AAAAAA
B____B
or do both of B in the second line have to be together?
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Dave. |
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Lun Juin 28, 2021 6:25 pm Sujet du message: |
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valid group _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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DieselDave
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Posté le: Lun Juin 28, 2021 7:22 pm Sujet du message: |
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Bill Jessop
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Posté le: Mar Juin 29, 2021 11:30 am Sujet du message: |
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Is this a valid group?
AAAAAA
_B___BB
As the 2nd Rank is only 6 wide? |
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vexillia
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Posté le: Mar Juin 29, 2021 12:38 pm Sujet du message: |
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Bill Jessop a écrit: | Is this a valid group?
AAAAAA
_B___BB
As the 2nd Rank is only 6 wide? |
This might help:
_________________ Martin Stephenson |
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Mar Juin 29, 2021 4:55 pm Sujet du message: |
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Bill Jessop a écrit: | Is this a valid group?
AAAAAA
_B___BB
As the 2nd Rank is only 6 wide? |
Instead off posting all possible position, i suggest you read the ruleset.... _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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DieselDave
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Posté le: Mar Juin 29, 2021 6:10 pm Sujet du message: |
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In fairness ,I don't think the rules say whether a second rank has to be a continuous line....it's not very clear. I don't think any of the diagrams show a group with a split second rank.
And how about this?
A____A
BBBBBB
I think this meets the requirements in the rulebook but does it meet the author's intention? |
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Ramses II
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Posté le: Mar Juin 29, 2021 6:17 pm Sujet du message: |
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P10 says the frontage must be 6 units wide maximum, and each rank must be 6 units wide maximum.
There does not seem to be anything to prevent ranks being offset as you suggest, so it seems possible that 1CP could be used to move a groups that is effectively 11UD wide in two ranks of 6 units, or just possibly a group of 18 units in three ranks of 6 units, each offset, forming a group that is 16 UD wide (but obviously such a group would be very unwieldy to command later in the game) |
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madaxeman
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Posté le: Mar Juin 29, 2021 9:46 pm Sujet du message: |
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Ramses II a écrit: | P10 says the frontage must be 6 units wide maximum, and each rank must be 6 units wide maximum.
There does not seem to be anything to prevent ranks being offset as you suggest, so it seems possible that 1CP could be used to move a groups that is effectively 11UD wide in two ranks of 6 units, or just possibly a group of 18 units in three ranks of 6 units, each offset, forming a group that is 16 UD wide (but obviously such a group would be very unwieldy to command later in the game) |
Seriously?
Any group more than 6 units wide is, erm, more than 6 units wide. Which isn't legal.
Why is this even being asked as a question? _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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Ramses II
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Posté le: Mar Juin 29, 2021 10:19 pm Sujet du message: |
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Because there are different bullets defining the terms for "frontage" and "each rank". And yet the group 'width' is not defined as opposed to it's frontage.
It seems to be a valid to at least check these points. |
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Black Prince
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Posté le: Mer Juin 30, 2021 4:33 am Sujet du message: |
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I think some people are just try to break to rules.
I thought in V3 if a group was wider than 6 bases then you paid an extra pip to move the group but in V4 there is hard limit of 6 bases wide is this correct? |
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DieselDave
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Posté le: Mer Juin 30, 2021 7:50 am Sujet du message: |
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I wasn't doubting the '6 wide' limit , just how those 6 could be deployed. A single continous rank or if a rank can be split(but still be within the 6 wide limit). |
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daveallen
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Posté le: Mer Juin 30, 2021 8:23 am Sujet du message: |
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Black Prince a écrit: | I think some people are just try to break to rules.
I thought in V3 if a group was wider than 6 bases then you paid an extra pip to move the group but in V4 there is hard limit of 6 bases wide is this correct? |
How did you get that impression?
There are no functional changes to Groups (p10) from V3 to V4. The hard limit of 6 bases is the same. Anything wider is (and was) moved as separate groups.
And to Diesel Dave - yes, it's within the rules to have incomplete ranks with gaps. In fact, it's quite common.
Cheers,
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daveallen
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Posté le: Mer Juin 30, 2021 9:22 am Sujet du message: |
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Ramses II a écrit: | It seems to be a valid to at least check these points. |
It's always worth checking, I say
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Mer Juin 30, 2021 9:44 am Sujet du message: |
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Black Prince a écrit: | I think some people are just try to break to rules.
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I think you're right, dear prince. But I hope those legal, trick will be use in game, because they weakened the army. I h've found how to counter this and it would be bloody ....
I just check if truth is not in french version... _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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