Art De La Guerre :: Voir le sujet - Disengaging (group moves)

madaxeman
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Post� le: Jeu F�v 24, 2022 11:53 pm Sujet du message:

Theodoric a �crit:

So if the enemy X is Heavy Spearmen, are all the points correct?

To follow on from Za’s general points, I would suggest waiting until such a constellation of unlikely bedfellows forming a group are engaged (and not engaged) with an enemy spearman, and that they decide that breaking off is the right tactical decision to make for all three of them, and they are fortunate enough that it is their turn so they can do this.

If that situation ever arises, either ask an umpire, discuss with your opponent and form a consensus, or just toss a coin to decide, as this isn’t really covered by the rules, most probably as it is incredibly and astonishingly unlikely to occur so has not been considered before - and may indeed never happen.
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Post� le: Ven F�v 25, 2022 12:30 am Sujet du message:

madaxeman a �crit:

Theodoric a �crit:

So if the enemy X is Heavy Spearmen, are all the points correct?

To follow on from Za’s general points, I would suggest waiting until such a constellation of unlikely bedfellows forming a group are engaged (and not engaged) with an enemy spearman, and that they decide that breaking off is the right tactical decision to make for all three of them, and they are fortunate enough that it is their turn so they can do this.

If that situation ever arises, either ask an umpire, discuss with your opponent and form a consensus, or just toss a coin to decide, as this isn’t really covered by the rules, most probably as it is incredibly and astonishingly unlikely to occur so has not been considered before - and may indeed never happen.

I respectfully disagree. It’s better that everyone know what the rule is ahead of the game. No one (meaning at a minimum: me) likes to be surprised by a quick call by a ref under pressure during a game. Both sides deserve to know who can break off and under what conditions. Better to have these decisions debated, the oracles consulted and decision reached and disseminated ahead of time.

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Post� le: Ven F�v 25, 2022 11:43 am Sujet du message:
But then what would be left for the umpires to do? Dave _________________ Putting the ink into incompetence

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Post� le: Sam F�v 26, 2022 9:05 pm Sujet du message:

Theodoric a �crit:

I am still struggling to clearly understand the Disengagement rules-

X
ABC

X = Enemy Heavy Cavalry
A = Light Cavalry Bow
B = Heavy Cavalry Bow
C = Medium Knight Impetuous

The Light Horse is in melee and is faster than the enemy Heavy Cavalry therefore it can Disengage.

B and C form a group with the Light Cavalry A so they can Disengage with the Light Horse?

The Group moves back 2 UD (one UD less than slowest unit) facing the enemy?

Unit B can shoot because it was not in melee?

The move costs 2CP because of the Impetuous Medium Knight taking part in the move, 3CP if the unit had a target for a Spontaneous Charge?

Didyou really saw this in a game, or it's just to ask new question?
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Post� le: Sam F�v 26, 2022 9:05 pm Sujet du message:

lionelrus a �crit:

Theodoric a �crit:

I am still struggling to clearly understand the Disengagement rules-

X
ABC

X = Enemy Heavy Cavalry
A = Light Cavalry Bow
B = Heavy Cavalry Bow
C = Medium Knight Impetuous

The Light Horse is in melee and is faster than the enemy Heavy Cavalry therefore it can Disengage.

B and C form a group with the Light Cavalry A so they can Disengage with the Light Horse?

The Group moves back 2 UD (one UD less than slowest unit) facing the enemy?

Unit B can shoot because it was not in melee?

The move costs 2CP because of the Impetuous Medium Knight taking part in the move, 3CP if the unit had a target for a Spontaneous Charge?

Did you really saw this in a game, or it's just to ask new question?

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lionelrus
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Post� le: Sam F�v 26, 2022 9:09 pm Sujet du message:

Theodoric a �crit:

I am still struggling to clearly understand the Disengagement rules-

X
ABC

X = Enemy Heavy Cavalry
A = Light Cavalry Bow
B = Heavy Cavalry Bow
C = Medium Knight Impetuous

The move costs 2CP because of the Impetuous Medium Knight taking part in the move, 3CP if the unit had a target for a Spontaneous Charge?

Spontaneous charge has no cost, holding INCONTROLED charge cost 3CPs Read again, young Padawan!.
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Post� le: Sam F�v 26, 2022 9:16 pm Sujet du message:

KevinD a �crit:

madaxeman a �crit:

Theodoric a �crit:

So if the enemy X is Heavy Spearmen, are all the points correct?

To follow on from Za’s general points, I would suggest waiting until such a constellation of unlikely bedfellows forming a group are engaged (and not engaged) with an enemy spearman, and that they decide that breaking off is the right tactical decision to make for all three of them, and they are fortunate enough that it is their turn so they can do this.

If that situation ever arises, either ask an umpire, discuss with your opponent and form a consensus, or just toss a coin to decide, as this isn’t really covered by the rules, most probably as it is incredibly and astonishingly unlikely to occur so has not been considered before - and may indeed never happen.

I respectfully disagree. It’s better that everyone know what the rule is ahead of the game. No one (meaning at a minimum: me) likes to be surprised by a quick call by a ref under pressure during a game. Both sides deserve to know who can break off and under what conditions. Better to have these decisions debated, the oracles consulted and decision reached and disseminated ahead of time.

And i respecfully disagree. It may seem ununderstable, but some people have true lives, and realy doesn't like spending time answering situations NEVER SEEN IN GAME, spécialy in competition. So, if you want put yourself in esoteric situation, ask umptre before do it. In friendly game, roll a dice.
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