Art De La Guerre

[KevinD]

1. When you place a village you also place a road. Do you place that road immediately after placing the village or after all other terrain has been placed (like other roads)? Does “A road is the last terrain piece to be placed” only refer to roads other than those that come with villages. The errata seems to contemplate placing the village road before the other road, but is it also before all other terrain (except compulsory, villages and water features) or after?

2. If there is a road, can you place or move other terrain on top of (or under) the road or does the road prohibit you from placing or moving terrain there. The rules say “The road may pass over other terrain,”, but is it also vice-versa, that other terrain can slide under a road?

[Neep]

Kevin, I suspect as a practical matter, it is anticipated that the road is already modeled within the village feature.

[Hazelbark]

When the village goes down, the road goes with it at the same time.

yes roads can pass over other terrain except impassable or coast. A flooded river may be passed through.

Then when terrain is modified a piece that slides to where a road is, the road still goes through it. IE roads do not inhibit placement of terrain.

[KevinD]

Thanks, Dan.

That’s mostly what I thought and how I’ve done it, but sometimes my reading of the rules are at variance to how it is intended…

But can roads really not cross a flooded river? I had always thought that was the one way across them….

[Zoltan]

[Hazelbark]

[Ramses II]

The text on roads reads :-
Road
A road must be 1 UD wide and between 10 to 30 UD in length. It can pass through all other types of terrain (except a coastal zone and impassable terrain)
(My emphasis)

I agree with Dan on the process;

1. place the compulsory piece
   
2. place the river (or coast) and determine it’s difficulty
   
3. place the village and it’s road
   
4. place all other terrain pieces
   
5. if a road is chosen, dice for the sectors of the road and then place it

If any road (associated with a village or otherwise) is subsequently covered by terrain, it should be moved on top of that terrain after the terrain adjustment process 

[Zoltan]

@Ramses II

So at your step 3 a “village road” may be placed across a flooded river.

[Ramses II]

Yes Zoltan, any road may be placed across the river, provided the river is not determined to be Impassable (which is diced for when it is placed). 

If the river is found to be Impassable, i suggest the road is placed under the river to indicate that the river cannot be crossed. 

This is another very rare ’edge’ case, that requires a bit of common sense and agreement between the players. 

[Mad Max]

Are you sure you have to roll dice to place the road offered with a village ?
To me, you place it freely as long as it is in contact of the village (exceptions : impassable and coast).
If you roll dice, you may end up with sections where the village is not there.
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[Zoltan]

[Ramses II]

I have been re-reading the rules carefully, and it seems I was incorrect about the impassable river. I was relying on the definition on p72.   


Apparently a road can cross an impassable river (so think stone bridge etc). See pp 75, 3rd and 4th bullet, which overrides the broad definition on p 72. 
I suggest this also applies to a road exiting from a village.

That said, it is still an ‘edge’ case that is rare at best, so probably does not need to be taken further . . . 

[Hazelbark]

[Ramses II]