Art De La Guerre

[Willkilla]

Hello, I know this is probably a silly question.

When a unit enters terrain even partially, it must move at the terrain speed. What I'm wondering is if I have impetuous HI that are in open and just over 1UD away from difficult terrain, if they use their move, they would reach the terrain and suddenly run out of movement because of the -1UD penalty. I would want to move them at their maximum speed for the sake of CP, but a 1UD move would still leave them in the open having never reached the difficult terrain. Is this correct? Or would they be able to reach the terrain and stop on the edge?

Also, what happens if both players tie for initiative? Is it a reroll?

Thank you!

[Zoltan]

The widespread convention on tied initiative dice rolls is to simply re-roll.

Impetuous troops attempting to move from open into difficult terrain is tricky; the example under Movement Distances on p.27 is the reverse of your example (from wood into open). But the principles in the rules are clear:
1. when moving through mixed terrain, max move is that of the slowest terrain type
2. impetuous moving less than their max move pay an extra CP
3. you can't move further than your max move for the terrain type

So I guess that means in your example:
- impetuous HI starting in the open just over 1 UD from the wood edge can NOT enter the wood
- if they want to enter the wood they must first pay 2CP to move short in the open up to the wood's edge
- next move they can pay 1 CP and move 1UD into the wood

Not really a very efficient use of impetuous HI.

[lionelrus]

[Hazelbark]

I feel like this was answered somewhere before.

My view is the HI would move to the edge of the terrain and then stop. i.e. 1.5 UD.
This would cost 1 CP.
Reason:
The unit was moved its full distance. Its full move does not allow it to enter terrain.

NOTE:
An enemy in the terrain could attack the HI ad the HI would fight as if in terrain, since being on the edge counts as in.

That is how I would rule on the fly, pending trying to find the guidance.

I can imagine the DT ruling otherwise.

[Ramses II]

Agreed on all points. 

[Dickstick]

[AlanCutner]

[Dickstick]

Great for something that is on the edge of terrain as it is in it .
But to claim something that has not entered the terrain is somehow in it is stupid.
The edge is always part of the terrain.
This unit doesn't enter the edge.
So it's not in it.
To claim the edge is both in and out of the terrain is a fools errand. It leads to nonsense.
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[Hazelbark]

[Dickstick]

There is no logic in this dual definition of edge.

Who decided there needs to be this contradiction?
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[AlanCutner]

There is clear logic. At the point of contact/combat how can one side be fighting in terrain and the other not? Two men fighting each other are in the same terrain. There is no force barrier stopping one from taking a step over that edge. This ruling covers that perfectly adequately.

[Dickstick]

As the unit never moved into the wood the charging unit will have to charge out of the wood. The fight is in the open.
You have them charging out, dragging their opponents into the wood and fighting them in the wood.
How close does the unit need to be to be eligible for dragging into the wood? 1mm, 5mm or what?
How wide is this fantasy land called "Edge " that is neither wood nor open ground?

This is a muggers charter.

Logic? My a....
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[Ramses II]

While we may sympathise with this debate, the original question asked about movement restrictions. To summarise, if the unit doesn’t have sufficient movement capacity to enter the terrain it must stop before entering it.

The player may choose to stop the unit short of the terrain or to move the unit up to the edge of the terrain, accepting the in-game choices that result from either position. The rules clearly state that a unit which is touching terrain when fighting, is considered to be in the terrain.

If everyone is clear on this ruling at the outset (irrespective of how ‘realistic’ or ‘logical’ this is), there is no problem. Let’s move on shall we. 

[Dickstick]

Where is this ruling to be seen?
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[MKennedy]