Art De La Guerre

[JohnTheBoring]

You can make them "battle ready". No guidance on how you represent that. Presumably you need mantlets / chains / some means of showing it?

Also there is an illustration on how to turn a group of two. Can that become battle ready or do you have to do each one individually? I presume you can pay the extra pip to ready both together along with the turn?

[MC_Delicatessen]

I'm gonna use slinky fake jewellery chain. I figure that's easy to drop on the base.

Great question about battle ready pips. My guess is it's one pip per WW, and you cannot make a whole group of WW battle ready for one pip, but I know nothing!

[JohnTheBoring]

Also I presume you can declare battlewagons to be "battle ready" when you deploy at the start???

[JohnTheBoring]

OK I have had a good read of the rules and I think we need some clarification.

Page 31 on turns says turns "cost 2 UD for Unmanouverable units, WWG, pikemen and cataphracts". So a turn uses their forward move and they turn on the spot. Therefore on rough terrain WWg cannot turn as they only have 1 UD move.

Page 14 says they become battle ready for 1 CP, and can also turn on the spot for a further 1 CP. Total 2.
The play sheet says a turn is difficult, so should cost 2 CP.
Page 34 does not list Warwagons as unmanouverable so turns are not difficult.
So the play sheet is wrong and Warwagons can turn on the spot for 1 CP?

Page 32 says a group of 2 can turn into a line on the spot with one sliding. Cost 1 CP?

Does the 1 CP to become battle ready apply to one only, or to a group? (This matters for Hussites!)

Can they be deployed battle ready at the start?

Watch out for impetuous levy. If they start more than 4 UD from the enemy they move 3 UD so slowing them down to move with the Warwagons is difficult!

[Ramses II]

[Ramses II]

[JohnTheBoring]

OK but page 34 does not say turning is difficult as warwagons are not in the list, only the play sheet. Which is right? I see nothing in the main rules to say a turn cost more than 1 CP.

[Ramses II]

P34 describes the effects of difficult manoeuvres, while p35 lists the specific cases including WWg . . .

[hcaille]

To summarize :

- A WWg is not considered as an Unmaneuvrable unit

- When a WWg makes a 1/4 or 1/2 turn, it cost 2 UD of movement (but only 1 CP)
This can be done by a group of 2 WWg as indicated p 32

- A WWg can becomes battle-ready by spending 1 CP
It can be done in the same time as a 1/4 or 1/2 turn and in this case it cost 2 CP
It can be done by a group of WWg

Note : This is to allow a WWg to deploy and be battle ready in the same turn.
Otherwise it is too long to use WWg as it appears during test games.

- To represent a battle ready WWG you can place a fortification along it or put a marker or just say it to your opponnent

Update by HCE on 27/11/2021
- If you are more than 4 UD from the ennemy, impetuous HI movement allowance is 3 UD instead of 2 UD
So Impetuous HI can move with WWG at 2 UD but for 2 CP because they don't do their full move

[JohnTheBoring]

Indeed. That is pretty much what I was saying. In V4 they have been dropped from the list of unmanouverables but a turn now costs 2 UD.

[JohnTheBoring]

Still the question: Can you deploy as battle ready at the start?

Thanks

[Hazelbark]

[Jhykronos]

The rules also state that a War Wagon can remove the Battle Ready condition then move on the same turn.

Could they also move first, then spend another CP to become battle ready on the same turn?
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[hcaille]

There was an error in my previous answer so I update it

Sorry

[Hazelbark]