Art De La Guerre

[Theodoric]

Disengaging

X
AB

X = Heavy Swordsmen
A+B = 2 Units of Light Cavalry

The Light Cavalry wish to Disengage with a group move, however the rules say only a Unit in Melee or Melee Support can Disengage.

Am I right to conclude that I must spend 1CP to Disengage Unit A, and another 1CP to move back Unit B with a separate move?

[Longtooth]

Interesting question.

The rules actually say that a unit or group in melee or melee support is allowed to disengage. I have always assumed that the supporting light horse in your example forms part of the overall 'group in melee' and is therefore able to disengage alongside unit A as a single move.

I can also see the argument for only allowing Unit A to disengage and making unit B spend another pip to avoid conforming to unit X.

Jesse

[Za Otlichiye]

Certainly, it would be parallel to charges and evasions, where if one unit of the group has a target or is a target the whole group can charge or evade.

Let me amend this a bit. The rules say the units must be "fighting" which I would take to be in melee or in support. But the preamble says "in melee or in melee support" which would seem to rule out simple support. If the unit is not in melee or in support, it cannot disengage as part of a group.

A unit in simple support, left in corner to corner contact would then have to conform or move away.

[Hazelbark]

So to clarify you can disengage a group like you have where part of the group is literally disengaging and the rest of the group is not in combat. It is a single group move. not to separate moves.

The above is verified by El Kreator.

[Theodoric]

This then poses the problem that only Light Cavalry and Light Infantry can turn twice in a single move, therefore troops not in combat would only be able to participate in a group Disengagement move if they are Light Cavalry or Light Infantry.

Is this correct?

[Za Otlichiye]

If you read page 40 you will see that they don't turn at all. They just move backwards.

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However, there is a question of mounted fighting slower mounted. Does this apply to the whole group, or only the fighting units?
I.e.

[Theodoric]

Yes, when Units Disengage they don't turn.......but what about any Units _not_ in Combat that wish to move back as part of a group with Units that _are_ Disengaging?

[lionelrus]

[Zoltan]

P.40 Disengage move, bullet 5 "The disengaging unit and the enemy unit with which it was in melee cannot shoot".

Presumably this really means, "Units that disengage (including as part of a group), and the enemy unit(s) which was (were) in melee, cannot shoot."?

Would an enemy unit that was providing simple support be entitled to shoot at the disengagers (or is simple support "in melee")?

[Theodoric]

I am still struggling to clearly understand the Disengagement rules-

X
ABC


X = Enemy Heavy Cavalry
A = Light Cavalry Bow
B = Heavy Cavalry Bow
C = Medium Knight Impetuous


The Light Horse is in melee and is faster than the enemy Heavy Cavalry therefore it can Disengage.

B and C form a group with the Light Cavalry A so they can Disengage with the Light Horse?

The Group moves back 2 UD (one UD less than slowest unit) facing the enemy?

Unit B can shoot because it was not in melee?

The move costs 2CP because of the Impetuous Medium Knight taking part in the move, 3CP if the unit had a target for a Spontaneous Charge?

[Hazelbark]

[madaxeman]

[Theodoric]

So if the enemy X is Heavy Spearmen, are all the points correct?

[vexillia]

[Za Otlichiye]

Theodoric, since you have only made 11 posts, at least under this moniker, let me give you a straight answer.
Nobody knows.
You will get a lot of opinionated gassing. Sometimes it forms a consensus that everyone seems comfortable with and other times it just drifts off into the Cloud.
There doesn't seem to be any definitive answers short of what gets put in the Errata, and that is infrequent and sparse.

Here's my idle thoughts: