Art De La Guerre

[PHGamer]

A question concerning wheeling columns.

When a long column makes a wheel, do the rear most units gain extra movement?
I have several pictures on this blog posting to further explain.
https://philonancients.blogspot.com/2023/03/a-question-on-wheeling.html

Basically, if a foot in column of 6 units wheels 90 degrees, the front element moves 1.5 UD, the rear over 5.

I see with quarter TURNS, the distance gained/lost with the rear units is not counted, but I do not see an exception for wheels.
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[KevinD]

I think that is the case. The front unit wheels and the rest teleport into position.

[lionelrus]

Correct. Bottom is as fast as face
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[ALEXANDER]

If an single unit or a group of units wheel, the bottom always moves a little more than the front.
A square base moves 1,5 with the front (to wheel 90°)
but 2 UD with its rear

If the rear movement is ignored
a column of 6 Heavy spearmen (outside 4 UD of enemy)
could wheel 1.5 and then turn again
This would be like an expansion of 5 units

If the distance of the rear is considered
HC Impetuous will always move less than their maximum movement allowance of 4 UD with their front, when doing a wheel.
(without having to pay the additional command point)

...or is the maximum movement distance always defined by the movement of the rear?

PS. A single warwagoon that wheels 45°
can move only 0,7 UD?
And a column of 2 warwagoon cannot wheel 45°?

[SteveR]

I don't understand your answer Lionel.

In my opinion Page 31 first bullet is intended to cover impetuous troops wheeling to allow it to be a simple maneuver. Not to allow rear rank troops in a column to exceed their usual movement allowance.

The second bullet specifies that units in a wheeling group must not exceed their maximum movement allowance which seems to me to constrain second and third ranks to not exceed theirs.

[lionelrus]

[quote="SteveR"]I don't understand your answer Lionel.

it's a joke. But considering my level in english, only me can understand....
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[SteveR]

Lionel I always appreciate your thoughts, even if I dont understand them

[Hazelbark]

The answer is the rear does not gain. p31 2nd bullet. So a long column does not whip out. This is a WHEEL restriction. It is not a slide or turn restriction. Just during a wheel. WWG also have a separate turning rule.

So a long column that wheels should measure the front corner of the unit at the rear of the column to ensure it does not exceed its straight-line distance.

[lionelrus]

I confirm, it's El Kreator'answer!
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[Hazelbark]

[Neep]

Note that so long as bullet 2 is obeyed and the rear element does not displace more than its full MA, then bullet 4 will roll back its displacement to that of the front element, and the whole column can advance using the remainder of their MA. Mad axeman has observed this is not a particularly useful advantage.

[ALEXANDER]

Does this mean that Swordsmen or Cavalry impetuous should not be lined up in two lines.
Because they wouldn't go their maximum movement allowance whith their front elements when wheeling

I assume, that the rear element probably defines the maximum movement allowance of the whole group then.

[Hazelbark]