MarkC
Javelinier
Inscrit le: 19 Juil 2018 Messages: 15
Localisation: Australia
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 16, 2023 8:10 am Sujet du message: Most Threatening Enemy when none in front of unit |
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Page 35 "If no enemy is in front of the unit, the nearest enemy whose ZoC covers the largest part of units front or rear edge".
I read this as determine the enemy which covers the largest part of the units front or rear edge. If two cover the same amount, the nearest is the most threatening enemy.
A local player reads this as determine the nearest enemy (noting measure from front of unit). If two equally near, then the one which covers the largest part of the units front or rear edge is the most threatening enemy.
Which way should it be played?
Thank
Mark C
PS - In v3 it just said the nearest. |
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Hazelbark
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1550
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 16, 2023 3:10 pm Sujet du message: |
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My words restating to try and clarify. So this is how to play not literally transcription
MTE
1 Obviously we only care about units that project a ZOC onto the unit in question
2 The nearest in front. Treat in front as "directly" meaning bounded by two lines projecting forward along your side edges. So a ZOC striking the flank or rear is irrelevant if there is a unit directly forward. [ie two units ZOC ON ZOC are each other MTE regardless of how close someone is to a rear]
3 IF no one is directly in front. Then which enemy ZOCs the most of the front edge.
4 If no enemy exerts a ZOC on the front edge, then proceed to who exerts their ZOC onto flank or rear.
So front edge is always priority.
Recall your ZOC does not pass through any of the enemy base |
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Neep
Légionaire
Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 143
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 16, 2023 4:41 pm Sujet du message: |
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Well, that's an interesting take. Will we see this in September?-)
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Note that the rules actually say "flank or rear edge" so you might want to edit that, Mark.
The second bullet will (by common sense) be analogous to the first, so first priority is nearest, and tiebreaker is most coverage. |
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Zoltan
Centurion
Inscrit le: 18 Jan 2015 Messages: 445
Localisation: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 16, 2023 5:53 pm Sujet du message: |
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Isn’t the MTE priority sequence:
1. Directly in front,
2. Nearest (not directly in front),
3. Tie-breaker (not directly in front) greatest ZoC coverage. |
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Neep
Légionaire
Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 143
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Posté le: Jeu Aoû 17, 2023 12:20 am Sujet du message: |
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This was discussed on the Facebook forum recently. Based on the working in the French original, the priorities are:
The nearest enemies directly in front, the ones covering the most of unit's edge, then your choice.
The nearest enemies, the ones covering the most of your flank or rear edge, then your choice.
The diagram on page 36 suggests a slightly different procedure.
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This sequence leaves a bit of a gap in that an enemy not directly in front, but covering much of your front edge will be superseded by a closer enemy covering only flank or rear edges. This is mitigated by the fact that "nearest" is always measured to your front edge. Changing the wording to "covering the most of an edge" would avoid the quirk.
There is also an ambiguity whether you add the portions of your covered edges together, or just take the larger, or measure the portion of the enemy's ZoC front edge projected onto your unit.
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These are truly edge cases. Which is what technical review will always look at. |
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