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Technical question on impetuous foot vs steady sword.
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MessagePosté le: Sam Aoû 31, 2024 2:30 am    Sujet du message: Technical question on impetuous foot vs steady sword. Répondre en citant
If impetuous foot attack steady sword front edge to front edge, then it is clear the impetuous foot does not get the benefit of impact.

But suppose there is also some LH attacking the flank of the steady sword? The applicable rules appear to be:

page 18 The Impact ability remains valid if these target troops are charged on their flank or rear.
page 63 The unit still cancels the abilities of any enemy unit attacking it from the front, even if the unit has other enemies in melee support against its flank or rear.

I'm not sure if page 18 only means if the impetuous foot is the main unit on the flank or rear of steady swords then they retain Impact, or if the LH on the flank is sufficient to deprive the steady sword of its ability, despite page 63. The "are charged" on page 18 might offer a clue, but one could charge the steady sword with the LH on the flank and then the impetuous foot on the front.

I do think the impetuous foot lose their Impact regardless, but I'm curious if there are other opinions?
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MessagePosté le: Mar Sep 03, 2024 4:33 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
There is no such thing as "steady Sword"

If you are asking

Impetuous foot charge Impact foot. Also LH charge flank of impact foot.

then p 18 is clear.

The impact is cancelled per charging lights into flank.
The impetuous foot loose the impact +1 per p18, 2nd bullet last sentence. The unit receiving the charge is still swordsmen.
The impetuous foot retain impetuous.
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MessagePosté le: Mer Sep 04, 2024 7:06 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Steady is just a shorthand for non-Impetuous.

The full rule on Impetuous is:
The Impact bonus of Impetuous foot is cancelled when charging non-impetuous medium and heavy swordsmen on the front edge, as they are better able to withstand this type of charge.
The Impact ability remains valid if these target troops are charged on their flank or rear.

My concern, probably over-thinking, is with the second sentence.
"These target troops" are the MI or HI sword (or FKn...). So either the second sentence is saying:
1. If the target troops are subject to a multiple attack, then the Impetuous foot on the front edge retain their Impact.
OR it's saying:
2. If the Impetuous troops instead attack the flank/rear of the target troops, then they retain their Impact.

Option 1 is contrary to other effect interactions. Option 2 is redundant emphasis as the first sentence has already established it's an "on the front edge" effect.

We seem to agree that it's option 2.
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