Art De La Guerre

[Three]

Hello All,

I hope this finds everyone well.
We've definitely lost our old venue, currently being demolished and rebuilt as flats, but we are happy to announce that Schiltron 2025 will take place over the weekend of 22nd & 23rd March, 2025 at a new one.

All the details are set out below.

The details

Dates: 22nd & 23rd March 2025
Venue: The Arena Gaming Centre, 4 Main St, Brightons, Falkirk FK2 0JT
https://www.diceandtokens.co.uk/the-arena.html
Times – The new venue means we don’t have to start later (and finish later), so meet 0930 for 10am start on the Saturday and 0900 for 0930 start on the Sunday.

Maximum number of players: The venue has permanent tables and can comfortably accommodate 30 players but certainly could take another 6-8. We’re going to start with the 30 player limit but remain flexible if there’s sufficient interest.

Number of rounds: 5 games - 3 on the Saturday and 2 on the Sunday. Games to last 2hrs 30 mins but must have completed 4 turns for each player by the 90 minute mark or blitz will be enforced to ensure this number of turns has been reached. Dice down when time called.

Format: 200 points, single list.
Scale: 15 mm
Theme: The Dark Ages.
Any army from those listed in the green section of the army lists, that’s armies 124 – 178 inclusive. All allies must be from this same section.
Special procedures: Version 4 of the rules, with any FAQs or Amendments issued prior to these dates.

1st round pairing: No club matchups in two 2 games, Swiss chess thereafter.
Dice will be provided, and only these dice to be used. Leave the dice on the table at the end of each game.
Mats – we’ve got a number but bring one if you’ve got one or prefer your own.

The cost will be £30 (pay on the day), which will include lunch both days. The venue sells hot & cold drinks at reasonable prices. Due to the change of start time, and the fact that the venue, a commercial outfit, also provide food and drinks, we can’t do the hot rolls on arrival.

If you need or want any further information, and any entries or expressions of interest to me at the following email address -

schiltronlists@gmail.com

Hope to see you there,

Cheers, Gary

[navigator]

will you be allowing Breton with Saxon ally? That's a factual dark age army ?

[Three]

No, list 100 is not in the green section, so doesn't qualify.

[navigator]

Just a gentle discussion point meant in the nicest possible way....why do by colour section? It's neither historic or geographically logical...just asking and no criticism as it's your comp. But it's inconsistent and rules out dark age relevant armies like saxons and bretons with allies..

Yours in peace etc...

[Three]

I don't mind explaining a gentle discussion point - When we took over the running of Schiltron, that was what we decided to do. A rolling theme of cycling through the different "periods" used in the army list section of the rule book and mirrored in the "Armies" section here. This decision was based on the fact that it is one of the recommended methods of deciding on a theme, and it is open, unambiguous and follows the rules author's delineation of periods.

It's also a point of difference as all the other competitions in this part of the world use specific dates or other related criteria to decide on their theme.

Last year's Roman theme was slightly different, but I'm told that it was not universally approved of, so we've gone back to our original principal.

Cheers.

[navigator]

Cheers ..you can't please all the people all the time! Although I do believe the same theme was used this year in a comp approx 25 miles from you! I griped then too!

[Three]

The theme at the Open in January was Dark Ages western European.
Our theme is significantly wider in that all of the green section is in play, not just western Europe.
By March 2025 it will 14 months on from the Open 2024. I don't think that's an unreasonable time frame. Either way, given our cyclical progress through the periods, next year was always going to be green.
Cheers.

[Three]

Afternoon all,

Now that the Scottish Open is successfully over for another year, thoughts now turn to Schiltron
We are currently sitting at 32 either confirmed or having expressed an interest, with a few well-kent faces still to declare. At the moment we are looking at 36 as our ceiling number, with the possibility of a couple more pending discussions with the venue, so if you fancy battling through the Dark Ages don't leave it too long.

List Submission
Lists to me by Saturday 8th March please. Use the latest army spreadsheet available here -

http://artdelaguerre.fr/adlg/v3/?/en/aids

Please mark your CinC and include an army date or campaign/Strategist etc variant of the main list.

Cheers.

[Three]

Evening all, current entries for Schiltron 2025 set out below. Currently only 1 space left so get in quick if you want to play.

1 1509 Frazer Watson FDWC
2 1131 Gordon Miller FDWC
3 1219 John Muir FDWC
4 833 Mark Taylor FDWC
5 1783 Dave Morris FDWC
6 1576 David Dryden FDWC
7 1598 Andy Fyfe FDWC
8 1725 Al Clark FDWC
9 1451 Stu Livingstone Carluke
10 1220 Marco Baroni York
11 858 Mike Bennett Carnforth
12 1364 Bill Ramsay TWGC
13 1308 Paul Dawson York
14 1318 Robert Taylor Halifax
15 1309 Paul Johnston York
16 1447 Tony Robinson England
17 1222 Bob Middlemist Durham
18 1161 Graeme Carroll Durham
19 486 Alan Cutner TWGC
20 834 Hugh Cameron TWGC
21 832 Mike Kemp Elgin
22 1319 Chris Proudfoot Isolated
23 1322 David Finnigan Isolated
24 836 Bill Robertson TWGC
25 1538 James Gibson FDWC
26 1488 John Preston Carluke
27 1275 Paul Maddox Elgin
28 1363 Dave Paterson FDWC
29 1505 Hunter Hope Perth
30 1881 Mel Clive TWGC
31 1168 Gary Lind FDWC
32 1085 Graham Bryson TWGC
33 1879 Gavin Bryson TWGC
34 N101 Mal Hogg SESWC
35 1129 John MacPhail TWGC

[Three]

Evening all,
A reminder that lists are due a week from today.
I've had 5 in so far and all were correct on submission so fingers crossed.

[Three]

Runners and Riders for Schiltron 2025.

1 1509 Frazer Watson FDWC 171 Tang Chinese

2 1131 Gordon Miller FDWC 165 Rus

3 1219 John Muir FDWC 156 Irish

4 833 Mark Taylor FDWC 130 Arab Conquest

5 1783 Dave Morris FDWC 151 Anglo-Saxon

6 1576 David Dryden FDWC 146 Post Roman British

7 1598 Andy Fyfe FDWC 130 Arab Conquest

8 1725 Al Clark FDWC 151 Anglo Saxon

9 1451 Stu Livingstone Carluke 172 Tibetan

10 1220 Marco Baroni York 146 Post Roman British

11 858 Mike Bennett Carnforth 130 Arab Conquest

12 1364 Bill Ramsay TWGC 127 Nikephorian Byzantine

13 1308 Paul Dawson York 168 Burmese

14 1318 Robert Taylor Halifax 127 Nikephorian Byzantine

15 1309 Paul Johnston York 166 Christian Nubian

16 1447 Tony Robinson England 170 Hindu Indian

17 1222 Bob Middlemist Durham 134 Abbasid Arab

18 1161 Graeme Carroll Durham 137 Tulunid Egyptian

19 486 Alan Cutner TWGC 170 Hindu Indian

20 834 Hugh Cameron TWGC 170 Hindu Indian

21 832 Mike Kemp Elgin 153 Carolingian Franks

22 835 George Dick GDWS 173 Khmer

23 1129 John MacPhail TWGC 126 Thematic Byzantine

24 836 Bill Robertson TWGC 157 Scots

25 1538 James Gibson FDWC 153 Carolingian Franks

26 1488 John Preston Carluke 128 Armenian Principality

27 1275 Paul Maddox Elgin 131 Umayyad Arab

28 1363 Dave Paterson FDWC 155 Viking

29 1505 Hunter Hope Perth 140 Merovingian

30 1881 Mel Clive TWGC 134 Abbasid Arab

31 1128 Jim Copeland Perth 127 Nikephorian Byzantine

32 1085 Graham Bryson TWGC 165 Rus

33 1879 Gavin Bryson TWGC 146 Post Roman British

34 N101 Mal Hogg SEWSC 124 Justinian Byzantine

35 1319 Chris Proudfoot Isolated 168 Burmese

36 1168 Gary Lind FDWC 147 Later Pictish

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1st Round Draw
Bill Ramsay Nikephorian Byzantine v Paul Johnston Christian Nubian
Paul Dawson Burmese v Andy Fyfe Arab Conquest
Tony Robinson Hindu Indian v Mel Clive Abbasid Arab
Alan Cutner Hindu Indian v Paul Maddox Umayyad Arab
Hunter Hope Merovingian Franks v Robert Taylor Nikephorian Byzantine
John MacPhail Thematic Byzantine v Mal Hogg Justinian Byzantine
Graeme Carroll Tulunid Egyptian v David Dryden Post Roman British
Mike Kemp Carolingian Franks v Jim Copeland Nikephorian Byzantine
Marco Baroni Post Roman British v Gary Lind Later Picts
John Muir Irish v Bill Robertson Scots
Stuart Livingstone Tibetan v Dave Morris Anglo-Saxon
Dave Paterson Viking v Chris Proudfoot Burmese
James Gibson Carolingian Franks v Mike Bennett Arab Conquest
Gordon Mille Rus v George Dick Khmer & Cham
John Preston Armenian Principality v Frazer Watson Sui & Tang
Al Clark Anglo-Saxon v Gavin Bryson Post Roman British
Bob Middlemist Abbasid Arab v Graham Bryson Rus
Hugh Cameron Hindu Indian v Mark Taylor Arab Conquest

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Alan Cutner (269) v Graeme Carroll (235)
Frazer Watson (233) v Marco Baroni (230)
Andy Fyfe (223) v Mike Bennett (218)
Hugh Cameron (214) v Paul Johnston (207)
Mark Taylor (213) v John Macphail (203)
Paul Dawson (202) v Tony Robinson (200)
James Gibson (191) v Gary Lind (189)
John Muir (164) v Gordon Miller (158)
Chris Proudfoot (158) v Robert Taylor (155)
Gavin Bryson (154) v Dave Morris (146)
Hunter Hope (142) v John Preston (141)
David Dryden (139) v Bob Middlemist (136)
Jim Copeland (133) v Dave Paterson (129)
Bill Ramsay (128) v Bill Robertson (128)
Mike Kemp (126) v George Dick (117)
Mal Hogg (114) v Al Clark (94)
Mel Clive (9 v Graham Bryson (75)
Stuart Livingstone (66) v Paul Maddox (56)

[Three]

1509 Watson Frazer FDWC 411 171 Sui and Tang Chinese
1309 Johnston Paul York 378 166 Christian Nubian
1538 Gibson James FDWC 366 153 Carolingian Frankish
1598 Fyfe Andy FDWC 354 130 Arab Conquest
1161 Carroll Graeme Durham 345 137 Tulunid and Iqshidid Egyptian
1318 Taylor Robert Halifax 338 127 Nikephorian Byzantine
858 Bennett Mike Carnforth 320 130 Arab Conquest
1447 Robinson Tony England 315 170 Hindu Indian
486 Cutner Alan TWGC 313 170 Hindu Indian
1220 Baroni Marco York 310 146 Post Roman British
1308 Dawson Paul York 303 168 Burmese
1219 Muir John FDWC 297 156 Irish
833 Taylor Mark FDWC 286 130 Arab Conquest
834 Cameron Hugh TWGC 279 170 Hindu Indian
1783 Morris Dave FDWC 278 151 Anglo-Saxon
1505 Hope Hunter Perth 271 148 Merovingian Frankish
1576 Dryden David FDWC 267 146 Post Roman British
1363 Paterson Dave FDWC 264 155 Viking and Leidang
1129 Macphail John TWGC 257 126 Thematic Byzantine
1488 Preston John Carluke 257 128 Armenian Principality
835 Dick George GDWS 250 173 Khmer Empire and Cham
1131 Miller Gordon FDWC 249 165 Rus
836 Robertson Bill TWGC 244 157 Scots
1364 Ramsay Bill TWGC 242 127 Nikephorian Byzantine
1168 Lind Gary FDWC 234 147 Later Pictish
1275 Maddox Paul Elgin 231 131 Umayyad Arab
1319 Proudfoot Chris Isolated 228 168 Burmese
1128 Copeland Jim Perth 227 127 Nikephorian Byzantine
1881 Clive Mel TWGC 211 134 Abbasid Arab
N101 Hogg Mal SEWSC 209 124 Justinian Byzantine
1879 Bryson Gavin TWGC 193 146 Post Roman British
832 Kemp Mike Elgin 188 153 Carolingian Frankish
1085 Bryson Graham TWGC 182 165 Rus
1222 Middlemist Bob Durham 180 134 Abbasid Arab
1725 Clark Al FDWC 158 151 Anglo-Saxon
1451 Livingstone Stuart Carluke 105 172 Tibetan

Next year's dates will be 21st and 22nd March 2026