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MessagePosté le: Lun Mar 24, 2025 12:40 am    Sujet du message: Missile support and armor bonuses cumulative Répondre en citant
A unit with Armor and Missile Support is charged front edge by HI. The unit loses the die roll by 1. After adjustment for Armor and Missile Support, is the outcome a tie, or has the unit won by 1?

I.e. What does the 3d bullet under Missile Support on page 20 mean? "This bonus for Missile support is cumulative with that of Armour or Heavy armour."

I suspect it might be an artifact from Version 3, as page 17 implies the bonuses are calculated in sequence.


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MessagePosté le: Lun Mar 24, 2025 11:55 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Neep a écrit:
A unit with Armor and Missile Support is charged front edge by Cv. The unit loses the die roll by 1. After adjustment for Armor and Missile Support, it the outcome a tie, or has the unit won by 1?

I.e. What does the 3d bullet under Missile Support on page 20 mean? "This bonus for Missile support is cumulative with that of Armour or Heavy armour."

I suspect it might be an artifact from Version 3, as page 17 implies the bonuses are calculated in sequence.


Neep ... this has been done to death mate Very Happy

Herve has spoken ... I raised this point and we got an answer ... shall we all move on now Laughing

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MessagePosté le: Lun Mar 24, 2025 12:53 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Apologies I overlooked the Furious Charge of Cv. Change that to HI.

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MessagePosté le: Lun Mar 24, 2025 5:05 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
You would have won by +1

There is a thread below this with a more detailed discussion missile support I believe that is the conversation being refreshed to
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MessagePosté le: Lun Mar 24, 2025 6:39 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Cumulative in this case means that both abilities are applied if both are applicable.

Each one requires that one has a score less than that of the enemy to be applied.

So if the application of armor (step 4 in the order of application on page 17) results in a tie...

THEN

once one reaches step 5 the unit with missile support is no longer losing the combat and so the missile support is not applied.


Whereas if the application of armor in step 4 resulted in the unit with armor and missile support still losing...

THEN

Step 5 would be applicable and the missile support would be applied and would then indeed be cumulative with the Armor
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MessagePosté le: Lun Mar 24, 2025 11:21 pm    Sujet du message: Missile support and armor bonuses cumulative Répondre en citant
Ah Steve! I was going to twit you for providing the definition of "applicable", but looking at it really hard, the only post roll adjustments that can be made together are Missile Support and Armour, so I suppose it makes some sense.
I was surprised to see that Furious Charge comes first, but I suppose there aren't any 2HW impetuous lurking in the army lists (no Furious charge because you tied against spear/pike, but then 2HW changes tie to victory...)
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