Neep
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Posté le: Lun Mar 24, 2025 12:40 am Sujet du message: Missile support and armor bonuses cumulative |
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A unit with Armor and Missile Support is charged front edge by HI. The unit loses the die roll by 1. After adjustment for Armor and Missile Support, is the outcome a tie, or has the unit won by 1?
I.e. What does the 3d bullet under Missile Support on page 20 mean? "This bonus for Missile support is cumulative with that of Armour or Heavy armour."
I suspect it might be an artifact from Version 3, as page 17 implies the bonuses are calculated in sequence.
Dernière édition par Neep le Lun Mar 24, 2025 5:27 pm; édité 1 fois |
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Mark G Fry
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Posté le: Lun Mar 24, 2025 11:55 am Sujet du message: |
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Neep a écrit: | A unit with Armor and Missile Support is charged front edge by Cv. The unit loses the die roll by 1. After adjustment for Armor and Missile Support, it the outcome a tie, or has the unit won by 1?
I.e. What does the 3d bullet under Missile Support on page 20 mean? "This bonus for Missile support is cumulative with that of Armour or Heavy armour."
I suspect it might be an artifact from Version 3, as page 17 implies the bonuses are calculated in sequence. |
Neep ... this has been done to death mate
Herve has spoken ... I raised this point and we got an answer ... shall we all move on now
Cheers
Mark _________________ 'He could have lived a risk-free, moneyed life, but he preferred to whittle away his fortune on warfare.' Xenophon, The Anabasis |
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Neep
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Posté le: Lun Mar 24, 2025 12:53 pm Sujet du message: |
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Apologies I overlooked the Furious Charge of Cv. Change that to HI.
Dernière édition par Neep le Lun Mar 24, 2025 5:28 pm; édité 1 fois |
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MarkK
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Posté le: Lun Mar 24, 2025 5:05 pm Sujet du message: |
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You would have won by +1
There is a thread below this with a more detailed discussion missile support I believe that is the conversation being refreshed to |
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SteveR
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Posté le: Lun Mar 24, 2025 6:39 pm Sujet du message: |
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Cumulative in this case means that both abilities are applied if both are applicable.
Each one requires that one has a score less than that of the enemy to be applied.
So if the application of armor (step 4 in the order of application on page 17) results in a tie...
THEN
once one reaches step 5 the unit with missile support is no longer losing the combat and so the missile support is not applied.
Whereas if the application of armor in step 4 resulted in the unit with armor and missile support still losing...
THEN
Step 5 would be applicable and the missile support would be applied and would then indeed be cumulative with the Armor |
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Neep
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Posté le: Lun Mar 24, 2025 11:21 pm Sujet du message: Missile support and armor bonuses cumulative |
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Ah Steve! I was going to twit you for providing the definition of "applicable", but looking at it really hard, the only post roll adjustments that can be made together are Missile Support and Armour, so I suppose it makes some sense.
I was surprised to see that Furious Charge comes first, but I suppose there aren't any 2HW impetuous lurking in the army lists (no Furious charge because you tied against spear/pike, but then 2HW changes tie to victory...) |
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