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hcaille
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Hello
To resolve this situation, I propose that :
Where a commander controls units that are visible on the table, the commander must also be visible on the table (so may not be placed in ambush).
It will simplify the situation. |
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vexillia
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Zoltan
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| Posté le: Lun Oct 06, 2025 2:20 pm Sujet du message: |
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And so to reframe the original question that started this thread.
All units of a corps start the game hidden within two ambushes A and B. The corps commander is included in ambush A. For example, this might be two ambushes one each in two nearby woods.
Ambush B is revealed and its units placed on table. How is the measurement made to ascertain that the units deployed in ambush B are within command range of the commander still hidden within ambush A? |
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vexillia
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Dickstick
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| Posté le: Lun Oct 06, 2025 4:01 pm Sujet du message: |
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Do we ever measure from the centre of anything?
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madaxeman
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| Posté le: Lun Oct 06, 2025 5:25 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Zoltan a écrit: | And so to reframe the original question that started this thread.
All units of a corps start the game hidden within two ambushes A and B. The corps commander is included in ambush A. For example, this might be two ambushes one each in two nearby woods.
Ambush B is revealed and its units placed on table. How is the measurement made to ascertain that the units deployed in ambush B are within command range of the commander still hidden within ambush A? |
Whatever the umpire in this now wildly hypothetical and unlikely game decides?Â
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KevinD
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| Posté le: Lun Oct 06, 2025 7:18 pm Sujet du message: |
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Troops in ambush need not be in command range.
Obviously this can’t mean when they are revealed they have to be in ambush or the whole rule could be negated.
If the commander is still in ambush I’d suppose they pay the out of command penalty if they try to move, but this does not stop them from being revealed and placed on the table. |
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Ramses II
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| Posté le: Mer Oct 08, 2025 5:56 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Zoltan a écrit: | And so to reframe the original question that started this thread.
All units of a corps start the game hidden within two ambushes A and B. The corps commander is included in ambush A. For example, this might be two ambushes one each in two nearby woods.
Ambush B is revealed and its units placed on table. How is the measurement made to ascertain that the units deployed in ambush B are within command range of the commander still hidden within ambush A? |
| KevinD a écrit: | Troops in ambush need not be in command range.
If the commander is still in ambush I’d suppose they pay the out of command penalty if they try to move, but this does not stop them from being revealed and placed on the table. |
As Tim says, this is getting wildly hypothetical. There are a number of equally creative solutions like Kevin’s that could be applied in this increasingly obtuse situation. Please pick one, agree with your opponent and move on. |
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Zoltan
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| Posté le: Mer Oct 08, 2025 6:41 pm Sujet du message: |
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@Ramses - it is not “wildly hypothetical†to place a (non CinC) commander in ambush (with some troops).
The effect of your recommendation is: if a commander is placed in ambush, ALL units of his corps MUST also be placed in ambush. |
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Neep
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| Posté le: Mer Oct 08, 2025 7:01 pm Sujet du message: |
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Kevin's solution looks to me like a straightforward interpretation of the existing rules structure.
An awful lot of digital signal is being expended on this small point. I would love to see some discussion of other recent questions, like the stay in support/charge something dilemma. |
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Ramses II
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| Posté le: Mer Oct 08, 2025 8:15 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Zoltan a écrit: | | @Ramses - it is not “wildly hypothetical†to place a (non CinC) commander in ambush (with some troops). The effect of your recommendation is: if a commander is placed in ambush, ALL units of his corps MUST also be placed in ambush. |
Yes that is true, it is also simple and clear.Â
You are implying that, where a corps including its commander is placed in two ambushes, the player may desire to reveal only the ambush without the commander, and that this would impose some significant disadvantage - for example as Kevin suggests they could be considered to be out of control.Â
The easiest solution would be to reveal both ambushes together; I find it hard to believe that doing this would have a hugely detrimental effect over revealing a single ambush.Â
What are we missing?? |
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madaxeman
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| Posté le: Mer Oct 08, 2025 8:38 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Zoltan a écrit: | @Ramses - it is not “wildly hypothetical†to place a (non CinC) commander in ambush (with some troops).
The effect of your recommendation is: if a commander is placed in ambush, ALL units of his corps MUST also be placed in ambush. |
I have never seen this happen in all my time playing ADLG.
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Andy Fyfe
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| Posté le: Jeu Oct 09, 2025 7:26 am Sujet du message: |
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| madaxeman a écrit: | | Zoltan a écrit: | @Ramses - it is not “wildly hypothetical†to place a (non CinC) commander in ambush (with some troops).
The effect of your recommendation is: if a commander is placed in ambush, ALL units of his corps MUST also be placed in ambush. |
I have never seen this happen in all my time playing ADLG. |
It happened on Tuesday in my Codgers game Tim.
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madaxeman
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| Posté le: Jeu Oct 09, 2025 10:59 am Sujet du message: |
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| Andy Fyfe a écrit: | | madaxeman a écrit: | | Zoltan a écrit: | @Ramses - it is not “wildly hypothetical†to place a (non CinC) commander in ambush (with some troops).
The effect of your recommendation is: if a commander is placed in ambush, ALL units of his corps MUST also be placed in ambush. |
I have never seen this happen in all my time playing ADLG. |
It happened on Tuesday in my Codgers game Tim.
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Herve has now stated that placing a Commander in Ambush and leaving some of his troops visible on table is no longer allowed..
Makes things easier I guess!
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vexillia
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| madaxeman a écrit: | Herve has now stated that placing a Commander in Ambush and leaving some of his troops visible on table is no longer allowed..
Makes things easier I guess! |
Link please and will this end up in the Errata?
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