Art De La Guerre

[Andy Fyfe]

Hi Guys,

I think this came up at Codgers this year but I did not hear directly and wanted to check.

When does the loss of a camp count towards army rout?

I thought it counted immediately like the loss of any unit; however, I have heard that it does not count until the end of the turn. So if time is called before turn end then the loss is not counted (this would only be in the UK where a 'dice-down' end of game approach is the usual).

The wording under 'Unfortified camp' on p66 would support that is counts immediately:

If an unfortified camp is attacked in melee by an enemy unit it is automatically lost and looted.

Andy

[madaxeman]

[Hazelbark]

Anything less than counting all losses after dice down, perverts dice down into a gamey tactic even worse than it is.

Imagine
I know i am broken because of a 1-6 melee roll, but i spend 10 minutes deciding which of the remaining combats i want to roll first and whether to put my general into combat.

Dice down. I am not broken.

This would be insane even by old Reigate Dice Down Gamey Muppetry. I doubt this is how it would be adjudicated.


There are many different solutions to needing to stay on schedule than dice down but people have their preferences.

[Andy Fyfe]

[Mike Bennett]

[Andy Fyfe]

[Zoltan]

So if during Mike’s Movement Phase his battle unit had contacted an enemy on its side edge and immediately inflicted the final cohesion hit required to rout it (enemy already fighting in melee on its front edge), would that be ruled “no rout” if dice down was called prior to the Melee Phase?

[Andy Fyfe]

[Zoltan]

[Three]

What utter nonsense.
If time/dice down is called then losses as they stand are counted up and the result is then determined, not back counted to the start of the current phase.
Anything else is unfair to both players.

[Andy Fyfe]

[Zoltan]

P.69 Army Rout states: "At the end of each player's sequence, a check is made to verify whether one or both armies are routed."

Event organisers who use the "dice down" approach are arbitrarily cutting the phasing player's sequence short (to manage event time). This hard-stop should still count as the end of a sequence, and the losses be tallied in full to determine whether or not any armies are broken at that point.

[madaxeman]

[madaxeman]

[madaxeman]