Art De La Guerre

[madaxeman]

[madaxeman]

OK, a few hours of gentle cogitation with Kev (as between us we run the scocing for a big chunk of the UK event circuit), and we think there is only the one grey area, which is around camps and the timing of when they are "lost".

The answer (aka how we will both rule it going forward) is as follows:

Undefended camps count as "lost" when contacted, i.e. in the movement phase. Therefore if an enemy is in contact with your undefended camp when "Dice Down" is called, it's lost.

A fortified camp contacted by the enemy must be rolled for to be lost. This roll takes place in the melee phase, so if the dice roll for this "melee" hasn't been resolved when "dice down" is called, the camp survives - much the same as any other melee that hasn't happened yet.


All other losses occur immediately, so the status at dice down in regard to anything other than camps we believe is already clear. *

(* but this isn't meant as a challenge for any of you to try and Barkerese another exception out of the rulebook please...)
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[Longtooth]

....sounds fair and reasonable.

[SteveR]

[quote=Nope, units who are routed at the call of Dice Down are counted as routed.[/quote]

Okay this entire thread is not a rules question - it is a "dice down" question. Dice down is not in the rules (nor is the "ending at the end of a defender's turn" which is at least spared this type of "when do things actually happen" issue) so you can play it as you wish of course, and all players subject to it can hope for is consistency.

But I have an honest question here. If a unit which receives its final cohesion before dice down is counted as lost, even though the Rout and Pursuit phase has not been entered, does it still have a "Zone of Death"? Do you count one part of the rout but not the other from the same phase? Which you may have not even reached yet if you call it in the movement or shooting or if the melee phase is not yet complete.

You in inherently already deep into the splitting hairs zone using this process no matter what the intent. So I am just wondering how you play it. ( I assume no ZOD because if it were an elephant you would need a dice to roll and the dice are down)

The Britcon page just says "When time is called there will be a 'hard stop' to the games - put the dice down, and work out the result."

[Andy Fyfe]

[vexillia]

More quiet cogitation?
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