Art De La Guerre

[Ramses II]

[madaxeman]

[Mike Bennett]

[vexillia]

This is an absolute classic of its type:

- Starts with a simple Yes/No question.
- Someone says No.
- Someone else says that's not what it says in the rules.
- Another person says it's exactly what it says in the rules.
- A fourth person says "in Europe we play it as a No".
- Then the OP adds a further scenario to confuse matters.
- More rules are quoted.
- The OP returns with a third Yes/No scenario.
- More discussion (of the third scenario).
- The OP affirms this then means the generalised answer is No.
- A new person then appeals for sanity & simplicity.
- Yet another person says "I know what the rules say, but are they right (!) because we don't play it that way".

I may have not read the thread well enough to be certain the above is 100% accurate, but then life's too short.

There's no process in this thread, and no mechanism to reach a definitive conclusion either. Isn't there supposed to be a way of escalating things like this for clarification and producing a definite answer? Based on the OP it shouldn't be that hard.

This such an unedifying spectacle. Anyway you keep going. I haven't finished my popcorn yet.
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[madaxeman]

This is a situation in which there is no definitive answer.  

We’re all wargamera, so we all have some degree of OCD, so that ambiguity is a somewhat uncomfortable place for many of us to find ourselves in - but that’s what it is. 

Given that scenario, we’re still not going round in aimless circles. 

Some of us are performatively exorcising our unease at being faced with ambiguity in a situation where we instinctively feel entitled to expect clarity,

Some of us are engaging in constructive discussion to try and establish an approximation of a group-level consensus as to how we might all deal with this ambiguity should it arise in future. 

And Lionel is simply telling us how it is. 

Either way, this is all far far from aimless circling … 
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[KevinD]

This is a case where the way everyone plays pretty much contradicts the explicit wording in the rules. I would say this pretty clearly calls for some sort of “official” clarification, either errata, FAQ, or post by the DT stating this is the official ruling (for now at least).

[vexillia]

[MarkK]

[MarkK]

[madaxeman]

[vexillia]

[vexillia]

[madaxeman]

We’ve all been playing v4 for what, 6 years now and it would appear that no-one out of the 1,000 or so active competition-entering players in the entire world has noticed this particular glitch in the matrix until just a few weeks ago…. Which I think does suggest this  legitimately belongs in the “corner case” bucket. 

And let’s not forget that Lionel in his role as a DT voice has given a clear steer to us all that this is played the way we all thought it is played here too.. so all in all I think we’ll probably all survive without anyone losing their house or the shirt on their back over being “disadvantaged” 

… and  in the meantime I’m also sure that the forum will continue to play a useful role in affording people who need it the opportunity to publicly articulate their cognitive dissonance.

It’s a win all ways round really ! 
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[Mike Bennett]

[SteveR]