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Ackostokie
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Inscrit le: 22 Jan 2015 Messages: 16
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Posté le: Lun Juin 06, 2016 9:53 pm Sujet du message: Pikes fully Unmanoeuvrable or not? |
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Hi, Ive noticed that on page 14 of the rulebook it says that the pike unit is unmanoeuvrable. However on page 32 the list of unmanouvrable units does not include Pikes and only mentions that as a special case that if performing a quarter or half turn it is classed as a difficult manouvre.
Is this correct?
Thanks
Phil |
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fdunadan
Tribun
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Posté le: Mar Juin 07, 2016 6:03 am Sujet du message: |
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p32 is correct, p14 is a short summary of the capacities so says "less manoeuvrable than others heavy infantries" _________________ Audentes fortuna iuvat. |
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Commodore
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Mar Juin 07, 2016 9:06 am Sujet du message: |
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Less manoeuvrable means: For pikes, a quarter turn still cost 1CP (not a difficult move) but 2 UD (less manoeuvrable) same for cataphracts. _________________ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead"
Cdr Farragut,Mobile 1864 |
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Ackostokie
Javelinier
Inscrit le: 22 Jan 2015 Messages: 16
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Posté le: Mar Juin 07, 2016 11:56 am Sujet du message: |
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Maybe its a English translation problem because in the english version it does not say "less manoeuvrable than other heavy infantry".
It says "Their deep formation makes them unmanoeuvrable and they are at a great disadvantage in rough or difficult terrain."
as unmanoeuvrable is a word used to class of certain troops thats where the confusion comes into play.
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daveallen
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Localisation: Rugby & CLWC
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Posté le: Mar Juin 07, 2016 2:13 pm Sujet du message: |
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This is one of several (translation?) problems that need correction in the FAQ.
Another involves the lack of consistency in naming troop types.
So the Troop Description on p13 says: Medium infantry includes MI and LMI.
To me this means that MI and LMI are mutually exclusive subsets of medium infantry.
This results in a problem in the Unit Characteristics table (p20) when the abbreviation MI is used to meant medium infantry and not just MSwd and MSp.
Cv are:
+1 vs ...LMI, MI,...
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Add +1 in first phase vs MI...
Or have I got this wrong and non-impact Cv only get a single +1 vs LMI in the first phase?
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footslogger
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Posté le: Mar Juin 07, 2016 4:25 pm Sujet du message: |
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Commodore a écrit: | Less manoeuvrable means: For pikes, a quarter turn still cost 1CP (not a difficult move) but 2 UD (less manoeuvrable) same for cataphracts. |
On p32 it says that a quarter turn is a difficult maneuver for pikes and cataphracts, and thus cost +1CP. I don't see anything in the FAQ that contradicts this. |
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fdunadan
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Posté le: Mar Juin 07, 2016 4:46 pm Sujet du message: |
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Ackostokie a écrit: | Maybe its a English translation problem because in the english version it does not say "less manoeuvrable than other heavy infantry".
It says "Their deep formation makes them unmanoeuvrable and they are at a great disadvantage in rough or difficult terrain."
as unmanoeuvrable is a word used to class of certain troops thats where the confusion comes into play.
Thanks for the replies
Phil |
the word 'unmanoeuvrable' in the text means that they manoeuvre bad, but not so bad as the others unmanoeuvrable units. They can move less than their max move without penalties, their only weakness is the 1/4 ou 1/2 turn that cost 2CP and 2UD of mov.
there is risk of confusion between 'unmanoeuvrable' as unit type and 'unmanoeuvrable' as adjective... _________________ Audentes fortuna iuvat. |
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Hazelbark
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Posté le: Mar Juin 07, 2016 5:02 pm Sujet du message: |
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fdunadan a écrit: |
there is risk of confusion between 'unmanoeuvrable' as unit type and 'unmanoeuvrable' as adjective... |
Agreed. The challenge is in the English edition the word is italicized suggesting it has a rule meaning. I agree with your description, just need a simple clarification in the next FAQ. |
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chris6
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Posté le: Mar Juin 07, 2016 6:24 pm Sujet du message: |
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Ups, now we have 2 differnet sugestions for pikes/cats and quarter/halfturns:
1 Cp and Costs extra MU
or
2 CP and Costs extra MU
Which one is correct? _________________ Wohnort Limburg 30 Km nördlich von Frankfurt
Living at Limburg 30 Km north of Frankfurt
lieu de résidence Limburg 30 Km nord de Frankfurt |
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footslogger
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chris6 a écrit: | Ups, now we have 2 differnet sugestions for pikes/cats and quarter/halfturns:
1 Cp and Costs extra MU
or
2 CP and Costs extra MU
Which one is correct? |
p32 text says that pikes and cats make a move that includes a quarter or half turn, it is a difficult maneuver for them, so +1CP
p30 text says that a quarter or half turn uses 2UD if the unit is unmaneuverable or is pikemen or cataphracts |
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Commodore
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Posté le: Mer Juin 08, 2016 7:54 am Sujet du message: |
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footslogger a écrit: | chris6 a écrit: | Ups, now we have 2 differnet sugestions for pikes/cats and quarter/halfturns:
1 Cp and Costs extra MU
or
2 CP and Costs extra MU
Which one is correct? |
p32 text says that pikes and cats make a move that includes a quarter or half turn, it is a difficult maneuver for them, so +1CP
p30 text says that a quarter or half turn uses 2UD if the unit is unmaneuverable or is pikemen or cataphracts |
You are abslolutly right! it is my mistake and what happens when you say something about the rule without having the book at close range...
sorry for the confusion :
2 CP and 2 UD for pikes for a quarter turn _________________ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead"
Cdr Farragut,Mobile 1864 |
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chris6
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Posté le: Mer Juin 08, 2016 8:14 am Sujet du message: |
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Thx for the clarification!
@commodore: No matter, happens to me all the time....i think i know the rule, but when i look it up its somewhat different. _________________ Wohnort Limburg 30 Km nördlich von Frankfurt
Living at Limburg 30 Km north of Frankfurt
lieu de résidence Limburg 30 Km nord de Frankfurt |
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