Art De La Guerre

[madaxeman]

No dice are rolled, no outcomes occur... Ergo There is no combat or Melee
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[Viking709]

It appears an FAQ is needed to make sure we know what the author intended l appreciate all of your input
Thanks

[Stephen]

My head is spinning

[Dickstick]

[quote="Viking709"]It appears an FAQ is needed to make sure we know what the author intended l appreciate all of your input
Thanks[/quote]

Does FAQ page 8 yellow highlighted help?
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Player 747 don't call me Jumbo

[Ramses II]

Unfortunately it is only partially helpful, in that it clarifies the position of the Flanking Gauls when they are flanked in turn by the Roman cavalry, stating that they are 'in melee' with two enemy, so suffer an immediate disorder marker before the melee is resolved.

It also states that the Flanking Gauls will conform to the new enemy (cavalry), but that happens after the two melees are resolved.

Unfortunately this does not help the key question of whether the melee with the cavalry means that the Flanking Gauls cease to be in melee with the Legion.

[Viking709]

Footslogger referenced this already but thanks
The question of the flanking Gaul no longer providing support against the Roman legion seems to be answered that it no longer supports because it has been attacked in the flank
The remaining question, does the Roman legion still fight as if fighting multiple opponents Several members agree that it is fighting multiple opponents as there is nothing in the rule book to say that's it not
I contend that the turning after melee is only a mechanism by which players remember that the flanked unit has just been charged in the flank and fights at a zero this turn
I don't see how the flanking Gaul can provide a benefit to its fight against the Roman legion and at the same time defend itself by rolling dice against the Roman cavalry It's either fighting against the Roman legion or against the Roman cavalry but not both

[Ramses II]

The timing of conforming is a key part of the rules, not merely a mechanism to show who is fighting whom. If you check the maths above you will find the situations in the melees change quite dramatically depending upon their facing.

I quite like the way that the Legion's situation slowly improves, reflecting the fact that when the cavalry contacts them, the Flanking Gauls are still fighting against the Legion (though somewhat distracted / disconcerted by the new enemy)

[footslogger]

I agree with Ramses (that's what the rules say) but I suspect wagmestre is right. As a judge I would rule according to the rules. I suspect we will get a clarification, that should go into the FAQ (when are we going to get a new FAQ anyway?). I suspect wagmestre is correct because having a unit on your flank cancels your ability to support and cancels your ability to exert a ZOC in front of you. But I'd like to see that in writing, in the FAQ.....

[Dickstick]

If you wish the gauls to turn too early they will no longer be caught in flank.
For the gauls to be messed up they need to be busy fighting the legion.

The gauls are in melee with the legion until after the melee resolution when they conform to flank. Being in melee with legion gives the multi opponent effect, but does not count as support because of the cavalry. Then the cavalry fight the gauls in the flank.
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Player 747 don't call me Jumbo

[Wagmestre]

I ask on the french forum, to have a clear answer from the DT (still waiting for the answer).

In my mind :
Fighting factor reduced to 0 for multiples opponents.
Page 50, I understand that fighting units are either principal opponent, or support.
The flanking gaul Hi is supporting, until the cav contact.
After (and before conforming), no more support, So no more multiples opponents.

[Ramses II]

Moi aussi

[Wagmestre]

Yes.
How expected is El Creator's Speech !
(but not very fast to be expressed....)
Ok I

[Viking709]

Wegmestre
Can you post el creators response or interpret it for us

[Wagmestre]

That's why Ramses and I asked the question on the french part of the forum.

[Viking709]

Ok
Thanks