Art De La Guerre

Nostrebor · Archer Inscrit le: 20 D�c 2014 Messages: 62

In the attached picture will the impetuous knight perform an uncontrolled charge enemy unit B?

The Impetuous Knights movement has the following restrictions:

Cannot shift or slide at the beginning of move in such a way that it can contact Unit B with a commanded charge.
Can shift or slide in the middle of a move and contact B
Cannot Burst Through Friend in Combat
Could make a legal charge move to both A and/or B if not for the Friend in combat

Given the same geometry except B does not exist will the Knights do an uncontrolled movement to overlap where B was.

Note: If you think the Knights in the picture might be able to barely wheel enough to do a legal charge shift them around in such a way that they cannot.

[img]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzchTpUe1t2-TFllWF8yYTA5Y1U/view?usp=sharing[/img]
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzchTpUe1t2-TFllWF8yYTA5Y1U/view?usp=sharing

Wagmestre · Post� le: Ven Sep 30, 2016 6:02 am Sujet du message:

In a charge movement, sliding or wheeling in the middle of the movement is never allowed. Only before moving.

In the picture: I think the kn can wheel just the minimum (1/3 UD ?) then move straight away and contact B's left front corner with its own left front corner. All these within the 3 UD movement capability. Thereafter, conformation.

Wagmestre · Post� le: Ven Sep 30, 2016 6:07 am Sujet du message:

Uncontrolled move to overlap A if there's not B :
It will necessite to wheel in the middle of the movement. Movement allowed (it's not a charge), if it's within the 3 UD movement capability.

Commodore · Post� le: Ven Sep 30, 2016 6:12 am Sujet du message:

Wagmestre · Post� le: Ven Sep 30, 2016 6:15 am Sujet du message:

If there's no friend against A, the kn can contact A.
Not sure it can contact B without being ZoCed from A.

Wagmestre · Post� le: Ven Sep 30, 2016 6:17 am Sujet du message:

Nostrebor · Archer Inscrit le: 20 D�c 2014 Messages: 62

Is the following summary correct?:

As shown the Impetuous Knight meets the initial requirements for an uncontrolled charge. A target in range. But later rules (a charge can only slide or wheel at the start) cause target B to be ineligible. Since it does not have enough movement to overlap A on the other side the Knight does no uncontrolled move.

If you remove unit B from the picture but leave A and the other friendly unit then the Impetuous Knight does an uncontrolled move to overlap A at the position B used to be at (The knight does an uncontrolled move because it can reach A). This is allowed because an uncontrolled move (vs. a charge) can have any legal combinations of wheels and slides.

Ramses II · Post� le: Mer Oct 05, 2016 8:51 am Sujet du message:

Almost correct.
The answer to both questions depends on the 'target' in each case and the rules on conforming.

To charge enemy "B", the Kn must be in range and may only adjust their direction at the start of their move (by sliding or wheeling). If they cannot subsequently hit "B", there is no 'uncontrolled' charge.

If "B" is absent, the 'target' becomes the front corner of "A", and the Kn only need to contact their friends in such a way as to leave the Kn within 1U of enemy "A", allowing the Kn to conform by sliding or wheeling (pivoting on front or rear corners).
Note conforming does NOT extend the movement distance so in this case, the Kn must start within 3U of the far front corner of "A" measured across their friends.