Art De La Guerre

Viking709 · Auxiliaire Inscrit le: 15 Jan 2015 Messages: 91

Two impetious cav YY ZZ charge two HVY foot units 11 22
XX
XX
YYZZ
YYZZ
1122
1122

XX is two UD away and wants to slide past the front corner so he can be side by side along 11 and only pay 1 CP.

YYZZ
XXYYZZ
XX1122
1122

I thought for one CP he had to stop the moment he contacted the corner of 11 or he had to go his full move
He could only slide along and stop alongside 11 only if he paid 2 CP
Which is it?

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footslogger · Vétéran Inscrit le: 12 Jan 2015 Messages: 166

I would say it costs 2 because it is doing something unusual. According to the FAQ you can stop short for 1cp if you end in contact. So the technical answer might be 1, but here you are not going your full distance, and not stopping as soon as you are in support, so I don't see how an unmaneuverable unit does that without paying 2.

Wagmestre · Post� le: Dim Nov 13, 2016 3:18 pm Sujet du message:

2 posts for the same.
1 pc.
Impetuous can pay just 1 pc for a uncomplete movement if end in contact (even supporting), but not necesseraly "as soon as" contacting.

footslogger · Vétéran Inscrit le: 12 Jan 2015 Messages: 166

Wagmestre · Post� le: Dim Nov 13, 2016 4:14 pm Sujet du message:

I have not my ruleset with me, but impetuous can do un uncomplete movement paying only one point if ending in contact.

footslogger · Vétéran Inscrit le: 12 Jan 2015 Messages: 166

Viking709 · Auxiliaire Inscrit le: 15 Jan 2015 Messages: 91

Footslogger. I agree with you and that's why I posted this. How is this being played in France?

Wagmestre · Post� le: Dim Nov 13, 2016 5:13 pm Sujet du message:

I think dificult manoeuvres are listed in the rules.
And I don't think those ending in contact with an ennemy unit are difficult.
Maybe am I wrong.

Once again, I have not my ruleset with me right now.

footslogger · Vétéran Inscrit le: 12 Jan 2015 Messages: 166

Viking709 · Auxiliaire Inscrit le: 15 Jan 2015 Messages: 91

I interpret it as the moment the unmanuverable impetious cavalry comes in corner to corner contact and in a support position it stops To
Move beyond that point rewards the unmanuverable unit as if it wasn't unmanuverable. The moment it makes contact it stops therefore only one CP.

Now a rules lawyer could wheel right and then wheel left to try and contact the unit along its side edge and then conform and be side to side as long as it has enough movement. But again I don't think that's the authors intent

Wagmestre · Post� le: Dim Nov 13, 2016 7:37 pm Sujet du message:

Pages 32 and 40/41.
Nothing such as "as soon as" or "just corner to corner".
Only movement ending in contact.

Clear, simple and easy, isn't it ?

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

The question in rule design is how handicapped do you want impetuous units to be? I think after playing them they are not as severely handicapped as first assumed.

This posting is one of the examples of why not.

They still have significant limitations.