Art De La Guerre

[Snowcat]

Came across these Hunnic lists on madaxeman's site (below). Are these for real? Almost everything is elite. Who are all these elite troops? Who on earth are the elite heavy swordsmen? Now I'm still waiting for my rulebook to arrive (so I haven't seen the official Hunnic army list), but given that the Avars (who were essentially a successor Hun army with better organisation, armour and weaponry) only get 0-4 elites in their entire list, I'm a tad perplexed at seeing these following combinations for the Huns:

200 points
Strategist
4 Heavy swordsmen impetuous Elite
2 Light infantry bow ------
2 Heavy cavalry impetuous ------
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Ordinary
1 Heavy cavalry bow Elite
3 Medium cavalry bow Elite
1 Light cavalry bow Elite
1 Light cavalry bow ------
==
Ordinary
1 Heavy cavalry bow Elite
3 Medium cavalry bow Elite
------- ----
1 Light cavalry bow Elite
1 Light cavalry bow ------


Hunnic
Strategist
4 Heavy swordsmen impetuous Elite
2 Light infantry bow ------
4 Heavy cavalry impetuous ------
==
Ordinary
1 Heavy cavalry bow Elite
2 Medium cavalry bow Elite
1 Light cavalry bow Elite
1 Light cavalry bow Elite
==
Ordinary
1 Heavy cavalry bow Elite
2 Medium cavalry bow Elite
1 Light cavalry bow Elite
1 Light cavalry bow Elite

200 Points
Andy's List played at Roll Call

Corps 1: Competent

6 Medium Cavalry Bow Elite
1 Light Cavalry Bow Elite


Corps 2: Competent

6 Medium Cavalry Bow Elite
1 Light Cavalry Bow Average


Corps 3: Competent

2 Medium Cavalry Bow Elite
4 Light Cavalry Bow Elite
2 Light Cavalry Bow Average

Did the author who constructed the AdG Hunnic list have a bit of a soft spot for Attila and his lads?

Cheers

[fdunadan]

Heavy elite swordsmen are Frank warriors ( Clovis ancestors) renown for their ferocity and general badassery.
Heavy cavalry elite is the nobles Hunnics (0-2) and the Medium and Light Cavalry are the Hunnic warriors (8-24) who can be average or elite (no limit)

The Avars got 4-16 Heavy Cavalry Bow and 0-6 Medium or Light Cavalry. So their are better equiped (Armor more common)

The "elite" give a +1 bonus on dice if firing, receving a fire or in melee if you roll 1, 2 or 3.
the "armor" give a +1 bonus if receving a fire or losing a melee.

so "elite" is less useful than "armor" if you want to sustain a fire exchange during some times.

And as for command, the Avars are +4 maximum versus +3 for the Hunnics, so Avars are beter organized...
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[Snowcat]

Frankish warriors - subject levies. Used to be Irr D MI in a certain previous WRG system, and are usually raw/levy/inferior in others when appearing as subject levies. Grading them Elite seems rather kind.

So all Hun cav can be elite. Do the Xiongnu get the same deal? Any other steppe nomads?

Don't get me wrong - I'm a huge Hun fan, and I have a good collection of books (and an army) on them. This just appears a tad 'generous' IMO.

Cheers

[lionelrus]

Knowledge of history has progressed from old WRG lists...
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[Soranon]

Mongols can also be all elite.

[madaxeman]

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[Black Prince]

How do you make shoot-and-scoot tactics work in the ADLG is it a simple case of move up to shooting range and evade if charged or is there more to it?