Art De La Guerre

[papadopp]

Taken from FAQ p. 7 (sorry for not placing the diagram)
Previous example follow-up
B has been destroyed in melee.
D and C are in contact without being able to fight. C can then move freely, and, should the player want it, conform for free to attack D in the flank. We consider this is the follow-up of the previous melee.

In such a case, is D's basic factor reduced to Zero? And as C is the main unit situated in the enamy's flank in melee, does it get +1?

Thank you in advance

[madaxeman]

[Pebbo]

Madaxeman

Re your second para - I agree but I've heard it argued that you can't charge an enemy you are already in contact with. I think there is something in the rules which could be interpreted in this way but I can't find it now. Anyway the FAQ does seem to suggest that you are right though it doesn't use the word charge.

[Longtooth]

Found it!

See page 50, under "charge" heading:

A unit that starts its movement already in contact with the enemy (eg only by a corner) cannot charge it, but can move into melee with it by simply conforming

Based upon the above, your only options are to: (a) conforrm; (b) charge a seperate enemy unit; (c) or remain in place.

Jesse

[madaxeman]

That'll teach me to answer questions without my rules... !
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[papadopp]

Thank you all - still not sure about what is really happening here

The phasing unit in side to side contact may contact the opposing unit's flank - legal flank contact (p.51) - for free as a conforming move, as Tim states? - as a charge move paying CP, and having all charge's bonuses? both ways? - and in both cases, the main attacking unit is situated in the opponent's flank, so +1? moreover, feels a little cheesy to drop the opponent's BF to zero when charging, and not doing so if conforming (same initial position and same final one) - feeling that this particular situation is crucial and I 'd appreciate an official clarry

[Hazelbark]

I think there is some confusion here.

There is no charge when in contact.

The issue if you read on to p 8 of the faq.

When you are in contact you may not charge. The issue is do you conform or must you pay a CP or 2 to turn to melee.

So charge abilities do not apply either way.

[gregfilip]

so .acording to all i ve read so far ,and as a new art player i understand that in the game there are 2 different ways of initiating a combat.CHARGE+ATTACK[when u are already in contact with enemy.]
Can u define please which are the charge abilities that doesnt occur in a simple attack?
thnx
greg.

btw from the faq page 7.
D and C are in contact without being able to fight. C
can then move freely, and, should the player want it,
conform for free to attack D in the flank

[gregfilip]

[madaxeman]

I believe this could be an English/French translation issue, and that the international brains trust are looking at this as we speak...

So, an answer is coming..
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[Hazelbark]

You can move into melee via a charge or conform.

I don't believe this a translation problem. I believe the reader error occurs from reading a sentence and drawing conclusions, without reading.

Attack depending on where you read it refers to a situation where melee is taking place.

[Hazelbark]

[gregfilip]

[Zoltan]

I'm still unclear about this.

Two opposing units are in contact with each other along the full extent of one of their sides. One unit faces up. The other unit faces down.

1. Because these two units are already "in contact" with each other, neither can charge the other. True/False

2. The phasing player may conform his unit to the opponent's flank at no UD cost, to "continue the existing melee". True/False

3. This counts as a flank attack but because it was a conform and not a charge the opponent does not suffer a disorder. True/False

[madaxeman]