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Black Prince
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Inscrit le: 17 Oct 2016 Messages: 299
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Posté le: Mer Mar 08, 2017 3:13 am Sujet du message: Richard the Lionheart |
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In the feudal English army list Richard the Lionheart is rated as a strategist but the Later Crusader list he is not. Does anyone know why? |
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2009 Messages: 4803
Localisation: paris
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Posté le: Mer Mar 08, 2017 4:13 pm Sujet du message: |
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It's enought to upgrade one time a english. So twice.... _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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Hazelbark
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Posté le: Mer Mar 08, 2017 4:18 pm Sujet du message: |
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No. But oddities like this crop up in ratings.
I presume its along the lines of the 3rd crusade campaign was remarkable for its normal actions by the Christians. Whereas he really gained his military fame in France and England. Or so the argument would go. |
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daveallen
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Posté le: Mer Mar 08, 2017 6:08 pm Sujet du message: |
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Certainly not in England where he never fought a battle. _________________ Putting the ink into incompetence |
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Hazelbark
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Posté le: Mer Mar 08, 2017 7:25 pm Sujet du message: |
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daveallen a écrit: | Certainly not in England where he never fought a battle. |
Sorry, the domains that he fought in, were mostly in what is now France is more accurate. Right? |
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daveallen
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Posté le: Jeu Mar 09, 2017 6:54 am Sujet du message: |
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Hazelbark a écrit: | Sorry, the domains that he fought in, were mostly in what is now France is more accurate. Right? |
Sorry, I always get a bit snarky about "the lionheart." He was such a git!
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Black Prince
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Inscrit le: 17 Oct 2016 Messages: 299
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Posté le: Jeu Mar 09, 2017 11:39 pm Sujet du message: |
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"He was such a git" - LOL
Out of curiosity why? |
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madaxeman
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Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2014 Messages: 1599
Localisation: Londres Centraal.
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Posté le: Ven Mar 10, 2017 12:46 am Sujet du message: |
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Black Prince a écrit: | "He was such a git" - LOL
Out of curiosity why? |
It's probably a post-structural classical Marxist revisionist analysis of the historical record knowing Dave.
And because Richard didn't dress up as a Tupi spaceman. _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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daveallen
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Posté le: Mer Mar 15, 2017 1:38 pm Sujet du message: |
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Black Prince a écrit: | "He was such a git" - LOL
Out of curiosity why? |
Probably because of his upbringing in one of te most disfunctional families in history.  _________________ Putting the ink into incompetence |
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nikgaukroger
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Inscrit le: 26 Déc 2014 Messages: 8
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Posté le: Dim Mar 26, 2017 10:54 am Sujet du message: |
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Hazelbark a écrit: | No. But oddities like this crop up in ratings.
I presume its along the lines of the 3rd crusade campaign was remarkable for its normal actions by the Christians. Whereas he really gained his military fame in France and England. Or so the argument would go. |
It'd be the wrong way around then. His best was done on the east at Arsouf and Ascalon for example, but in the west he was more average. |
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Hazelbark
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Posté le: Dim Mar 26, 2017 7:04 pm Sujet du message: |
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I thought he earned the nick name before heading east?
In any case, there is always a dissonance between a leader heroic who exposed himself to combat versus a strategist who orchestrated clever engagements and maneuvers. |
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nikgaukroger
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Posté le: Dim Mar 26, 2017 7:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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Indeed, and it is his performance in the east in relation to the latter that I would think justifies Strategist rather than his performances on that score in the west.
Physical bravery and inspiration he managed in both of course  |
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AlanCutner
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Posté le: Dim Mar 26, 2017 9:52 pm Sujet du message: |
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I'm guessing he's not a strategist in both lists simply through human error when they were compiled. |
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Black Prince
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Posté le: Lun Mar 27, 2017 5:48 am Sujet du message: |
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Of course this leads to other question in ADLG how effective/competitive is the Later Crusader army? In previous rule system it always lacks what it takes to be a good army is it the same with ADLG? |
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Snowhitsky
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Localisation: Lancaster, UK
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Posté le: Lun Mar 27, 2017 7:21 am Sujet du message: |
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Black Prince a écrit: | Of course this leads to other question in ADLG how effective/competitive is the Later Crusader army? In previous rule system it always lacks what it takes to be a good army is it the same with ADLG? |
Depends on what you mean about competitive. It will do OK against historical armies and the Lionheart option with mixed units of spearmen and crossbowmen will probably have the best results.
In an open competition it will struggle and particularly against elephant armies. It's lack of flexibility will probably force a defensive style of play to negate more manoeuverable opponents but in a frontal clash it should do OK. |
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