Art De La Guerre

[daveallen]

Suggesting two amendments and seeking a clarification.

[ethan]

Why is the base move 3UD not 4UD if these are Cav?

[daveallen]

[Dickstick]

'' Up to its movement distance in open terrain. ''
To give is full meaning, is a unit of measure, not an instruction.
It's length varies with unit types.

You may have walked your self into a complication that's not there.

So to answer your question, heavy cavalry move 4, plus one for road, less one for the turn, so leaves a maximum of 4 ud along the road.
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[daveallen]

[Hazelbark]

This seems simple to me.

The debate if I understand it is:
does the action of the turn break the requirement to be entirely moving along the road.

I think yes. so you do not gain the additional UD.

There is a secondary point you seem to be saying there is an implication that the rules require moving 100% of the possible distance. I do not believe that is what the rules say.

[daveallen]

[Hazelbark]

I think we are vehemently agreeing on what should be, but maybe not understanding each other.

I think the intent is:
1) You must be 100% on the road with and advance to get the extra UD.
2) You may choose to use less than that distance.

I think that is what it says as a rule.
I think you are saying it doesn't say that as a rule, even if that is the intent.

Do I have it right?

[daveallen]

Yes, I think the wording we have now just makes people furrow their brows and maybe miss the intention.
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[Ramses II]

I understand the point being made, that it is possible that the intention has been lost in translation. Perhaps the French can explain the original intent here.

In order to gain the extra 1UD movement, does the unit or group;

1. Merely have to start and end their move on the road.
   
2. Have to start and end on the road, and use their full movement allowance.
   
3. Have to start and end on the road, and move along the road without making any quarter of half turns.
   
4. Have to start and end on the road, and move their full distance along the road without making any turns.

[Hazelbark]

I have to say I think you guys are over thinking this one.

[Dickstick]

I agree.
We will otherwise restrict it to columns only and does a group of one ever form a column?
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[Ramses II]

Possibly
However this provides an issue where a player places a road across the table in his deployment zone and positions a group on the road facing the enemy, anticipating being able to gain 1UD when turning and moving the group left or right along the road as a column (thus offsetting the cost of the turn).

[Zoltan]

I regularly place a road along my deployment long edge and set up a line of cavalry on it. In my first move I turn the line 90 degrees and move the column entirely along the road (sometimes for multiple movements if pips allow).

Page 30, Particular Cases bullet point two makes it clear that the 90 degree turn "uses" one of 4UDs my cavalry is entitled to when moving in the open (i.e. on a road). Thus, turning 90 degrees and moving 3UD in column along the road means I have moved my full distance of 4UD.

Page 27 Movement Distances bullet point 3 then entitles me to add an additional 1UD for moving my full movement distance along the road in column.

Thus, start on the road in line, turn 90 degrees and move 4UD along the road in column. It's all there in black and white.

[daveallen]

And there we have it.

It seems the French and New Zealand interpretation is that the units get the +1UD bonus.

The British and American interpretation is that they don't.

We at least need a FAQ about it.

Dave
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