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Joseph DiCamillo
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Inscrit le: 16 Oct 2015 Messages: 5
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Posté le: Dim Oct 22, 2017 9:58 pm Sujet du message: Strategist Re-Rolls During Terrain Setup |
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May a strategist re-roll any result on the Terrain Adjustment table? |
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fdunadan
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Inscrit le: 12 Juin 2009 Messages: 984
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Posté le: Dim Oct 22, 2017 10:10 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes, the strategist allow you to have an extra roll for controlling the terrains. You can use it for re-roll on an element, thus ignoring the original roll. _________________ Audentes fortuna iuvat. |
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babyshark
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Inscrit le: 19 Jan 2015 Messages: 136
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Posté le: Mer Oct 25, 2017 1:43 pm Sujet du message: |
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Hmmm. I believe the language in the rule book is that the strategist can reroll a failed terrain adjustment dice. That implies a roll of 1 or 2.
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plefebvre
Magister Militum

Inscrit le: 30 Déc 2009 Messages: 1183
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Posté le: Mer Oct 25, 2017 4:59 pm Sujet du message: |
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The rule says : "if the army is commanded by a strategist,the player can try to move or remove one more element, or can re-roll a dice (so he can have two attempts for the same terrain elements). And the FAQ says " The Strategist can try to control one more element than usual (or twice the same). If the first attempt is a success, then he can’t move the same element twice.
So all the question is "what is a success for an attempt to control the terrain ?"
I think the FAQ has to be understood in the way that an attempt is a success if the player likes the result enough to move the terrain
If he dislikes the result, he doesn't move the terrain element and then he can re roll.
The technical board _________________ patrick lefebvre
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AlanCutner
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Inscrit le: 03 Nov 2014 Messages: 747
Localisation: Scotland
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Posté le: Mer Oct 25, 2017 7:32 pm Sujet du message: |
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Citation: | I think the FAQ has to be understood in the way that an attempt is a success if the player likes the result enough to move the terrain Wink Wink Wink
If he dislikes the result, he doesn't move the terrain element and then he can re roll. |
I accept the ruling. However I think its an over-complicated and non-obvious interpretation. I far prefer the simpler suggestion that any result other than a 1 or 2 is a success because it allows movement of the terrain piece. |
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babyshark
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 26, 2017 3:07 pm Sujet du message: |
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plefebvre a écrit: |
I think the FAQ has to be understood in the way that an attempt is a success if the player likes the result enough to move the terrain
If he dislikes the result, he doesn't move the terrain element and then he can re roll. |
Thanks for the clarification. That changes the way we have been reading the rule.
Marc
Dernière édition par babyshark le Ven Oct 27, 2017 2:35 pm; édité 1 fois |
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fdunadan
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Posté le: Ven Oct 27, 2017 12:26 am Sujet du message: |
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AlanCutner a écrit: |
I accept the ruling. However I think its an over-complicated and non-obvious interpretation. I far prefer the simpler suggestion that any result other than a 1 or 2 is a success because it allows movement of the terrain piece. |
In fact if you read p69, the strategist may make try to move a 3rd terrain OR make a reroll on a try.
Never state that the reroll is after a fail. And no obligation for rerolling either... _________________ Audentes fortuna iuvat. |
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Zoltan
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Inscrit le: 18 Jan 2015 Messages: 500
Localisation: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posté le: Sam Oct 28, 2017 5:57 am Sujet du message: |
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So to summarise:
A given terrain piece may only be moved ONCE by each player.
If a strategist rolls a 1 or 2 for a particular terrain piece, he may make a second attempt on that same piece. This is called a "re-roll" in the English version of the rules.
If a strategist rolls 3,4,5 or 6 on his first attempt for a particular terrain piece he MAY NOT make a second attempt/re-roll on that terrain piece.
Instead of a re-roll on a particular terrain piece, a strategist may chose to roll to move one additional terrain piece more than normally allowed (per page 68 section, para 2). |
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AlanCutner
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Inscrit le: 03 Nov 2014 Messages: 747
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Posté le: Sam Oct 28, 2017 10:32 am Sujet du message: |
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Citation: | If a strategist rolls a 1 or 2 for a particular terrain piece, he may make a second attempt on that same piece. This is called a "re-roll" in the English version of the rules.
If a strategist rolls 3,4,5 or 6 on his first attempt for a particular terrain piece he MAY NOT make a second attempt/re-roll on that terrain piece. |
Given the clarification we've been given this is not correct. Instead it should be that a strategist may re-roll for a particular terrain piece if they didn't adjust it after the first die roll (regardless of the result of that die roll). |
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Ramses II
Magister Militum

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Posté le: Sam Oct 28, 2017 11:30 am Sujet du message: |
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You are spot on AC, the Strategist may reroll the dice if he did not adjust the chosen terrain piece, but he must accept the result of the reroll. |
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Zoltan
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Posté le: Dim Oct 29, 2017 2:49 am Sujet du message: |
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So if you roll a 3,4,5 or 6 for terrain adjustment (regardless of the commander's quality) you are always entitled to ignore the result and NOT adjust the terrain.
You don't have to attempt to adjust the terrain. But if you do attempt, you don't have to follow a 3,4,5 or 6 result. Of course you MUST abide by a 1 or 2 result. |
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fdunadan
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Posté le: Dim Oct 29, 2017 2:20 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes, moving the terrain is never obligatory: you MAY move it up to 4 or 6 UD or you MAY remove it, depending of the dice roll.
And a strategist allow you to make another roll if you don't like the first. _________________ Audentes fortuna iuvat. |
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