Art De La Guerre

[Mike Bennett]

Hi guys

Of pg 34 exiting a zoc, bullet number 1. If an element that can evade is zoc'ed from behind can it exit by moving straight ahead the way it faces and away from the zoc?

Rules say "... must make a half turn if the enemy is to its front or a quarter turn if the enemy is on its flank.....the unit then advances ....."

So no talk about enemy behind and exiting with a straight move without the need to turn. Also "then" means after the turn. Additionally if you can exit a ZOC by moving in this way, then other elements such a cav could also turn around at the end of the turn, like it says lights can, meaning that they also can retreat from a ZOC and face the enemy since they do not need the 2 turns which make this possible for lights.

[daveallen]

[Hazelbark]

See FAQ reference

[daveallen]

The only reference to leaving a ZOC is at the top of page 4 and isn't relevant.
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[Hazelbark]

I see now it was specifically about an evadable unit in the bum. Did not read the fine print while travelling.

[daveallen]

I need to get this squared away before the weekend - lots of CLWC players looking to exploit rule kinks

My view - it's ridiculous that, say, LI pinned* from the rear cannot move away from the troops threatening them. So we should assume the failure to mention it in the rules is not because it can't be done, but because nobody thought we could be so obtuse.

* or should that be pegged

Dave
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[Hazelbark]

Here's my advice to announce at beginning of tourney. (IE If I was Johnny on the spot)

I'd say we are playing it as follows today pending a potential change in the future.

An evade unit Zoc on its rear that wishes to exit a ZOC is permitted to exit ZOC per first bullet of page 34. "The unit advances its full movement distance straight forward without changing orientation." IE the 2nd to last sentence of the first bullet.

The hardest part is:
do you let them turn at end of full move, because they could as a move. Or do you say not because the turn to face is listed specifically under the light troops separate bullet. (I'd say let them turn)

[kevinj]

I agree that allowing the unit to move away is the most sensible interpretation.

However, regarding the turn, I think it should only be permitted to Light Troops as making a turn with others reduces their move and therefore does not constitute advancing "its full movement distance straight forward without changing orientation".

[Commodore]

The technical board confirm that an evade capable unit can leave a ZOC :
1/if the ZOC is exerted on its front, it makes a 180° turn and move straight away up to the max distance, it may freely turn back towards the ennemy if LH or LI, using its free capability at the end of the move.
2/if the ZOC is exerted on its flank, it makes a 090° turn and move straight away up to the max distance, it may freely turn back towards the ennemy if LH or LI, using its free capability at the end of the move.
3/if the ZOC is exerted on its rear, it move straight away up to the max distance, it may freely turn back towards the ennemy if LH or LI, using its free capability at the end of the move.

This precisions will be included in the next FAQ
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[Kal5056]

Must the unit making the exit move it's full movement allowed unless it meets an obstacle or is the movement distance the players choice?

Gino

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[vexillia]

What happens if a unit that can't evade is in a ZoC to its rear?
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[daveallen]

It can either turn to face the ZOCing unit or stay where it is. 

It can't leave the ZOC - see 3rd b.p. Exiting a ZOC page 34. 

Dave
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[vexillia]

Is that because a retreat move would move them into the enemy or because they cannot move straight ahead away from the enemy for some reason?
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[daveallen]

The former. 

They have to respond to the enemy behind them. They can't retreat because that would back them into the enemy. However, most units would be able to turn and charge said enemy. 
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