Art De La Guerre

[ethan]

Does an impetuous unit after making a mandatory uncontrolled conform move, suffer the -1 penalty in the first phase of melee?

[Kal5056]

I would say No since that penalty applies to the first phase and a conform represents a continuation of an existing fight

Gino

[AlanCutner]

I disagree. I think it applies. P41 says '-1 in the first phase of the combat'. To me thats the first phase of combat against the current opponent. And its reasonable a -1 applies as the impetuous troops are not moving under control but disorganised.

[daveallen]

In what circumstance would a conform be uncontrolled?

Genuine question. 

Dave
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[AlanCutner]

Just realised I was being stupid. Was thinking of an impetuous unit conforming as its uncontrolled charge - but thats not possible.

[fdunadan]

indeed, conformation is a free move so even impetuous units don't have to spend command points. It is not an incontrolled move.
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[ethan]

I believe it is if you are on flank edge to flank edge contact with a quarter turn.

Even if you could back up and conform to the front, what if you choose to let them go uncontrolled. The rules on p.55 note that "Conforming like this is not compulsory except for impetuous units..."

[daveallen]

Ah, I see now. 

The conformation is compulsory, but not uncontrolled. This is because, as fdinadan says, it's free. 

An uncontrolled charge is only compulsory if you don't have the command points to hold the unit or make a controlled charge. In this way you always have the points (0) to make the conformation. 

The important thing to remember is that even if there's a better target right in front of (but not ZOCing) your impetuous unit it must ignore it and conform. 


Can that be right?

 Dave
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[ethan]

A quarter turn if you don't spend any CP (It costs 2CP for an unmaneuverable unit) must be impetuous (I think).

[daveallen]

Page 55 conforming after melee 2nd para

"The phasing player is allowed to conform such units without expending CP."
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[ethan]

Yes that is correct, even in the FAQ. Must have been mis-remembering something else.

Impetuous conforming
Q : A unit of impetuous swordsmen is in flank to flank contact with an enemy spearmen unit. In their turn, what
can the swordsmen do ?
A : Being impetuous, the swordsmen must conform for free to initiate a melee with the spearmen on
their flank, or charge another unit in range. Any other action will cost 3 CPs. Should they conform, they
won’t get their Impact or the Furious charge.

[daveallen]

Yeah I think that's right. 

It's just the odd use of the word "compulsory" here that's thrown me a bit. 

Dave 
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