Art De La Guerre

Mike Bennett

page 35 diagram "example of a zoc"

despite the example text I think that the rules page 34 can be read that the cavalry can charge A or B. it is zoc'ed by both and they are equally near measuring distance, so equally threatening. Of course A is a shorter move, but that is not a specified requirement

anyone disagree?

daveallen · Post� le: Ven Avr 20, 2018 8:22 am Sujet du message:

I think the most threatening rule on p34 is poorly written, but I really don't see how you read it as allowing the Cav to charge B.

Going by theFAQ it should be something like:

1 enemy to front
2 nearest
3 covering more of front

Top of page 6 2nd item - makes it clear* that nearest is the more threatening than "covering most."

* as mud.

This seems to have arisen because of the FAQ saying the first ZoC you enter takes priority over any subsequent ZoC you enter.

I suspect we can all find situations where this looks odd.

Dave
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Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

p 34. most threatening.

It is clear that if someone exerts a ZOC on the front edge that takes priority over a ZOC that does not. Therefore A is the ZOC that applies.

I cannot find anyway to read that despite the words clearly saying so its not true.

All is clear.

daveallen · Post� le: Ven Avr 20, 2018 5:02 pm Sujet du message:

So which would be the most threatening if unit E was MSp?

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Mike Bennett · Post� le: Ven Avr 20, 2018 9:05 pm Sujet du message:

You say that "p 34. most threatening. It is clear that if someone exerts a ZOC on the front edge that takes priority over a ZOC that does not. Therefore A is the ZOC that applies. I cannot find anyway to read that despite the words clearly saying so its not true. All is clear."

Looking at specific wording it says "the enemy in front of the unit whose ZOC covers the largest part of the from of the unit". So for me A does not qualify. It is not in front and also does not ZOC part of th front. Of course we can debate if the corner is "part of th front" but A is still not "in front".

Moving to bullet 2 it is then about "nearest". It appears to me that both A and B ZOC the same side edge and are equally near, so there is equal priority o each of them

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

PS I think the FAQ is clearly implied by the beginning of bullet two. "If no enemy exerts a ZOC on the front edge..." SO that is why the FAQ is consistent. And the diagram is accurate.

daveallen · Post� le: Sam Avr 21, 2018 2:37 am Sujet du message:

daveallen · Post� le: Sam Avr 21, 2018 2:46 am Sujet du message:

PS do we agree with the priorities I identified above:

1 enemy to front
2 nearest
3 covering more of front of unit
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Mike Bennett · Post� le: Sam Avr 21, 2018 6:39 am Sujet du message:

I agreee those are the priorities for ZOCs from in front. The flank ones then come after this

Nb item 2 is not in the rules, but added by FAQ. It is a moot point if 2 is the most threatening in the actual rules and whether this is an amendment or a FAQ clarification. Even if it were not the most threatening it would still be the one hit first by a charge, and therefore the one lined up on.