Art De La Guerre :: Voir le sujet - Britcon 2024 August 9 to 11 2024 Nottingham

Zoltan
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Post� le: Mar Ao� 13, 2024 10:04 pm Sujet du message:

navigator a �crit:

Personally. A. I demand a recount and b. Ties should be decided, in this instance, on the head to head score.....

Erm does that mean you beat Robert?

Robert241167
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Post� le: Mer Ao� 14, 2024 5:52 am Sujet du message:
He had a winning draw against me. The same happened to me in Scotland where I had a winning draw against Marco Baroni but he won the competition on count back. Rob

Mark G Fry
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Post� le: Mer Ao� 14, 2024 10:29 am Sujet du message:

Robert241167 a �crit:

He had a winning draw against me. Laughing

The same happened to me in Scotland where I had a winning draw against Marco Baroni but he won the competition on count back. Crying or Very sad

Rob

Scoring systems in wargames competitions are (in my experience) generally weighted to encourage a decisive outcome - e.g. a win or a loss. These tend to give the higher scores (even for a loss) as they are set to encourage 'active' play. Next highest weighting are mutual destructions; with draws (winning or losing) coming at the bottom.
This is all primarily designed to discourage defensive play or players playing for time to avoid a defeat (not that I'm suggesting that either applied in this instance).

The concept of a winning or losing draw is also interesting, as a draw implies that neither side won, regardless of how close either came to defeating the other. In historical terms a stalemate.

It's all a fine balance to achieve a scoring system that is easy to operate for the organizers, but that is also transparent and clear to all the competitors.

NB: I once came across a truly 'byzantine' system that weighted the armies structure (number & types of fighting units and their interplay with the opposition) against the end game results, to come up with the final scores. It was so opaque that it was impossible for either the organizers or the players to fathom out who was where in any of the rankings until the final button was pressed and the results were spat-out by the computer. That just led to endless arguments and controversy as players started to try and tailor their army composition to 'advantage' their scoring (e.g. would adding one extra LF mean your army had a higher core score, for example).
But thankfully systems like that have (largely) died a death over the years.

Overall, I think the current ADLG scoring system appears to be easy to use, straightforward and clear. Which is all I would ask for personally Very Happy

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madaxeman
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Post� le: Mer Ao� 14, 2024 8:05 pm Sujet du message:
I’m not sure I understand this “winning draw” nonsense either I am pretty sure it’s now over 18 months since I played a competitive game that didn’t end with one or both sides broken…. I guess it must be a Yorkshire thing ? _________________ www.madaxeman.com

Andy Fyfe
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Post� le: Dim Sep 01, 2024 8:24 pm Sujet du message:

madaxeman a �crit:

I’m not sure I understand this “winning draw” nonsense either

I am pretty sure it’s now over 18 months since I played a competitive game that didn’t end with one or both sides broken….

I guess it must be a Yorkshire thing ? Laughing

When will the results be added to the ADLG website statistics?

madaxeman
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Post� le: Lun Sep 02, 2024 8:27 am Sujet du message:

Andy Fyfe a �crit:

madaxeman a �crit:

I’m not sure I understand this “winning draw” nonsense either

I am pretty sure it’s now over 18 months since I played a competitive game that didn’t end with one or both sides broken….

I guess it must be a Yorkshire thing ? Laughing

When will the results be added to the ADLG website statistics?

The “two lists, one competition” format isn’t compatible with the upload macro that Herve uses, so Britcon results don’t actually get added into the database here I’m afraid

They do go into the UK rankings on the bhgs website though
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Andy Fyfe
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Post� le: Lun Sep 02, 2024 10:15 am Sujet du message:

madaxeman a �crit:

Andy Fyfe a �crit:

madaxeman a �crit:

I’m not sure I understand this “winning draw” nonsense either

I am pretty sure it’s now over 18 months since I played a competitive game that didn’t end with one or both sides broken….

I guess it must be a Yorkshire thing ? Laughing

When will the results be added to the ADLG website statistics?

The “two lists, one competition” format isn’t compatible with the upload macro that Herve uses, so Britcon results don’t actually get added into the database here I’m afraid

They do go into the UK rankings on the bhgs website though

Cheers Tim.

Matteo Pasi
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Post� le: Jeu Sep 12, 2024 9:53 am Sujet du message:

madaxeman a �crit:

Andy Fyfe a �crit:

madaxeman a �crit:

I’m not sure I understand this “winning draw” nonsense either

I am pretty sure it’s now over 18 months since I played a competitive game that didn’t end with one or both sides broken….

I guess it must be a Yorkshire thing ? Laughing

When will the results be added to the ADLG website statistics?

The “two lists, one competition” format isn’t compatible with the upload macro that Herve uses, so Britcon results don’t actually get added into the database here I’m afraid

They do go into the UK rankings on the bhgs website though

Hi Tim,
and what about the 25mm competition ? We had only 1 list.
Ciao
Matteo
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KevinD
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Post� le: Jeu Sep 12, 2024 11:17 pm Sujet du message:

madaxeman a �crit:

Andy Fyfe a �crit:

madaxeman a �crit:

I’m not sure I understand this “winning draw” nonsense either

I am pretty sure it’s now over 18 months since I played a competitive game that didn’t end with one or both sides broken….

I guess it must be a Yorkshire thing ? Laughing

When will the results be added to the ADLG website statistics?

The “two lists, one competition” format isn’t compatible with the upload macro that Herve uses, so Britcon results don’t actually get added into the database here I’m afraid

They do go into the UK rankings on the bhgs website though

I thought it was and this is why some competitions record the army played by each player as “Variable”.