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KevinD
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| Ramses II a écrit: | | Along with Tim and Lionelrus, I strongly suggest that a commander must be placed on table if he commands visible units. |
That’s fine but I think whatever the rule on this is, it should be explicitly stated in an Errata.
Rules that aren’t stated but flow from a not entirely obvious extrapolation/interpretation of other written rules while also explicitly conflict with written rules (“It is possible to place a commander in an ambush….â€) really should be remedied in the errata. |
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Zoltan
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| Posté le: Jeu Oct 02, 2025 8:47 am Sujet du message: |
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@Ramses II - the lady doth protest too much, methinks.
I have a Tamil corps composed of 3 elephants (with included commander), 3 LI and 2 MI impact. I should be able to ambush the elephants (with included commander) in a wood (classic turn 1 bounce out) while the other units are deployed visibly at the start of the game. |
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lionelrus
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| Posté le: Jeu Oct 02, 2025 12:11 pm Sujet du message: |
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| KevinD a écrit: | | Ramses II a écrit: | | Along with Tim and Lionelrus, I strongly suggest that a commander must be placed on table if he commands visible units. |
That’s fine but I think whatever the rule on this is, it should be explicitly stated in an Errata.
Rules that aren’t stated but flow from a not entirely obvious extrapolation/interpretation of other written rules while also explicitly conflict with written rules (“It is possible to place a commander in an ambush….â€) really should be remedied in the errata. |
Selon vous, la règle de 80 pages doit être accompagnée de 100 pages d'erratas. Il semble que chacun ne concerne qu'une poignée de personnes, alors non.
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lionelrus
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| Posté le: Jeu Oct 02, 2025 12:12 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Zoltan a écrit: | @Ramses II - the lady doth protest too much, methinks.
I have a Tamil corps composed of 3 elephants (with included commander), 3 LI and 2 MI impact. I should be able to ambush the elephants (with included commander) in a wood (classic turn 1 bounce out) while the other units are deployed visibly at the start of the game. |
Simple: faire un croquis précis au déploiement sur le plan.
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Zoltan
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| Posté le: Jeu Oct 02, 2025 6:21 pm Sujet du message: |
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| lionelrus a écrit: | | Zoltan a écrit: | @Ramses II - the lady doth protest too much, methinks.
I have a Tamil corps composed of 3 elephants (with included commander), 3 LI and 2 MI impact. I should be able to ambush the elephants (with included commander) in a wood (classic turn 1 bounce out) while the other units are deployed visibly at the start of the game. |
Simple: faire un croquis précis au déploiement sur le plan. |
Exactement!
A written ambush plan is a simple way to demonstrate (if required) compliance with the rule requiring all visible units to be within command range of a commander in ambush, at deployment.
There is no need for any errata or DT clarification here. Â |
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Longtooth
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| Posté le: Jeu Oct 02, 2025 10:02 pm Sujet du message: |
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As far as I can see, the only restriction on placing commanders in ambush is on page 77, which says "it is possible to place a commander in an ambush but only if it is not the commander-in-chief". If a commander chooses to ambush with half of his command, it would be obvious for command distances to be measured from the ambush marker.
I would not make a fuss if someone chose to ambush in this way and have done so myself on several occasions. None of my opponents seemed to mind. |
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Neep
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Zoltan
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 03, 2025 6:31 am Sujet du message: |
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| Has anyone played a game where this question has had a material bearing on the outcome, or enjoyment, of a game? It’s never come up in any game I’ve played. |
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Dickstick
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 03, 2025 8:05 am Sujet du message: |
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Placing a general on the ambush marker makes a mockery of an ambush.
No, he could be on flank march fear.
This does not come up in the UK or France
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Neep
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 03, 2025 10:41 am Sujet du message: |
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Well if you have a fake in the same section. I only propose it to apply if there are units on the table.
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kevinj
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| Citation: | | Has anyone played a game where this question has had a material bearing on the outcome, or enjoyment, of a game? It’s never come up in any game I’ve played. |
I know some have been playing longer, I've only played ADLG since 2017 but I've never encountered it. |
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Ramses II
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 03, 2025 10:20 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Zoltan a écrit: | @Ramses II - the lady doth protest too much, methinks.
I have a Tamil corps composed of 3 elephants (with included commander), 3 LI and 2 MI impact. I should be able to ambush the elephants (with included commander) in a wood (classic turn 1 bounce out) while the other units are deployed visibly at the start of the game. |
As it seems you planned to use the elephants in ambush, again I strongly suggest you should build your list accordingly, with an independent commander that is placed on the table with the other visible units.Â
While I understand the idea of presenting a detailed plan for the ambush, this creates problems - The diagram needs to be very detailed to demonstrate the exact position of units and general.
- This must inevitably take up time, spoiling the enjoyment for both players
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Ramses II
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 03, 2025 10:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Neep a écrit: | | Â I'd suggest requiring the general to be placed upon their ambush marker location might be a useful and simple addition. |
The problem with this is that the rules require a unit to be placed on the ambush marker. Great if the commander is included, but it causes problems with an independent commander. |
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Ramses II
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 03, 2025 10:42 pm Sujet du message: |
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| kevinj a écrit: | | Citation: | | Has anyone played a game where this question has had a material bearing on the outcome, or enjoyment, of a game? It’s never come up in any game I’ve played. |
I know some have been playing longer, I've only played ADLG since 2017 but I've never encountered it. |
I think we all agree that this is a very niche question, that really does not need convoluted and complex rules to permit it.Â
This is especially true because players can take steps to allow the commander to be placed on the table while controlling the units in ambush.Â
I maintain that it should be illegal to place the commander in ambush when he controls other visible units. I also think this should be in the errata, and will recommend this to El Creator. |
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Zoltan
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| Posté le: Sam Oct 04, 2025 5:32 am Sujet du message: |
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| Ramses II a écrit: | | kevinj a écrit: | | Citation: | | Has anyone played a game where this question has had a material bearing on the outcome, or enjoyment, of a game? It’s never come up in any game I’ve played. |
I know some have been playing longer, I've only played ADLG since 2017 but I've never encountered it. |
I think we all agree that this is a very niche question, that really does not need convoluted and complex rules to permit it.Â
This is especially true because players can take steps to allow the commander to be placed on the table while controlling the units in ambush.Â
I maintain that it should be illegal to place the commander in ambush when he controls other visible units. I also think this should be in the errata, and will recommend this to El Creator. |
I dissent from your recommendation. Totally uneccesary! |
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