Art De La Guerre

[vexillia]

Another question:

• A line on 2Kn with 1 Cv on the right making a 3 wide group.
  
• The group wheels to the left.
  
• To ensure the right most Kn moves exactly 3 UD the Cv must move 4.5 UD which it cannot.
  
• End result: the rightmost Kn moves less than full to align as the Cv moves 4 UD.

So using the "Madaxeman interpretation" again:

• All the Kn "counts as" moving 4.0 UD.
  
• The Kn "counts as" moving their full move (4.0 > 3.0 UD).
  
• It doesn't matter that, on the table, none of the Kn actually moved 3 UD.
  
• As a consequence the Kn do not suffer any penalties for moving short.

Have I got this one right?
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Martin Stephenson

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[Dickstick]

What is this "count as " not really exceeded full move business.

Exceeding your maximum speed through a speed camera , sorry I should be saying "road safety camera", one still counts as speeding.

If the spear are to count as moving 3ud then they are exceeding their movement.

We know this is rubbish as they move 2ud , so what is to be gained with this rule that the first two rules don't give?
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[daveallen]

Has this rule been put in to prevent dodgy double wheels?

By that I mean the line pivots on one corner with the outer corner moving full distance, then becoming the pivot for the original pivot to move the same distance. All done for a single movement pip.

Dave

PS Whatever the reason, I bet it wasn't to allow a column of, say, four War Wagons to wheel 45 degrees.
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[AlanCutner]

As I understand it.....

A group of Kn's with impetuous Cv on the end wheels. The knights cannot physically move more than 3UD. If that means the Cv moves less than 4UD the move costs 2CP.

A group of impetuous Kn's with non-impetuous Cv on the end wheels. If the Cv moves at least 3UD all the Kn's count as moving at least 3UD, so the move costs 1CP.

I'm happy this is what the rules mean, subject to correction from someone more knowledgable. I'm not really interested in why wording has changed from V3. Only V4 wording matters.

[daveallen]

I can't recall there being a requirement for impetuous troops to pay 2 CPs for a wheel in V3, but there was a prohibition on the dodgy double wheel in the FAQs.
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[AlanCutner]

If impetuous units move less than full speed its a difficult manouver at a cost of 2CP. So wheeling where an impetuous unit 'counts' as moving less than its maximum speed is at 2CP cost. A wheel where impetuous units count as moving at least maximum speed costs 1CP.

Thats the same as V3.

[daveallen]

Yes, but that was always the case.

Anyway, you're missing the obvious so I'll say it again:

Look at the effect of this on columns, not lines.

A single element wide wheel through 90 degrees is 1.5UD. For the rear unit in a column of six MI that's a movement of over 8UD that "counts as" 1.5UD.

Obviously wrong, but as you close one loophole (dodgy double wheel) another (teleporting columns) opens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

FWIW, I would argue that bp2 should take precedence in limiting the actual distance moved, but that's just me.

Dave
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[Dickstick]

[Dickstick]

[madaxeman]

So... taking Richards Pony Express as a template, the challenge is to rephrase this set of bullets whilst making the smallest possible number of changes to the existing words, paragraph structure and sentence lengths in the current bullet points.

And to do so in a way that 

- allows Impetuous units to wheel for 1 pip
- prevents columns doing handbrake turns
- doesn’t cause issues with multi-rank groups wheeling 
- still outlaws that cheesy 2-wheel thing from v3 

GO! 
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[Dickstick]

Nice.
Chance to go back to positive thinking for me.

So initial thought for sentence header to bp4

"For each wheel in a multi wheel move," the whole group counts......

Off to ponder further.
Richard
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[daveallen]

[madaxeman]

[madaxeman]

[daveallen]