Art De La Guerre

[Andy Fyfe]

Hi Guys,

Hopefully an easy question:

If an evading unit starts on the road, and its evade move will take it along the road for the entire movement, does it apply the +1 UD for road movement?

1. Does it have to?
2. Is it optional?

P29 Movement allowance:

"A unit or group of units moving entirely along a road (including manoeuvres) can advance up to its movement allowance in open terrain regardless of the type of terrain crossed by the road. The unit can also add one UD to its movement allowance if the player chooses."

I think the +1 UD is optional during the evade.

The counterpoint would be that the evading unit is trying to get as far away as possible. However, none of the other rules about evading actually encourage this.

[Neep]

The same sort of question came up about uncontrolled charges where the impetuous unit could reach a target by using the road bonus, but otherwise would not. The consensus seemed to be that you had the option of choosing to use the road bonus or not, and then the rules for uncontrolled charge kicked in and either you had no target so did not move, or you did and you must.

By the same reasoning you would decide to use road bonus or not, and then you must evade to the maximum extent. So, yeah, your option.

[Dickstick]

Both cases you add bonus, otherwise you are stopping short of a full move, which is not an option in these cases.
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[KevinD]

I think the unit owner can choose whether or not to add the road bonus. (A similar question was asked before and, as I recall, the powers that be said it was up to the owner’s discretion whether or not to add a road bonus.)

I assume he’d have to choose before rolling evade and pursuit dice.

[Neep]

The same issue can be found in difficult maneuvers when unmaneuverable units do not move their full MA. There it is explicitly stated that the road bonus does not figure.
It will be a rare situation. My preference would be that all three issues be handled the same way.

[Mark G Fry]

Surely moves that are compulsory or have a distance proscribed by a dice roll must comply with that movement.

So if evading entirely on a road the road bonus (an extra +1 UD) must be added, after any dice adjustment, as would be the case where an evade has to cross terrain that reduces movement.
Likewise, with a unit of impetuous troops they must move the extra +1 UD.
Also, extremely rare, but surely a unit that is forced to pursue its defeated enemy on a road will pursue +2 UD (or will it)?

However, if the unit on the road is moving as a group with some units also off-road, the whole group moves at the speed of the slowest unit, so any road bonus doesn't apply.
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[Ramses II]

Agreed Mark on all points. 

That said, this must be a vanishingly rare situation, given the need for a single impetuous unit that is on a road whose movement direction aligns with the road. 

[Neep]

It's probably worth reviewing the previous discussion here: https://www.artdelaguerre.fr/adlg/v3/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9709
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A pursuit will always be max 1UD - there is no reference to Movement Allowance.

[Mark G Fry]

[Mark G Fry]

Actually, ignore the bit about an extra +1 UD for pursuit on a road as P69 specifically states : "a pursuit move directly forward of a maximum of 1 UD ignoring enemy ZOC".
As units dont have to pursue into terrain that will penalize them, any terrain reduction for a pursuing unit is irrelevant, as long as they choose not to do so.

So it is only the +1 to an impetuous units move or charge that is affected by the road and the evade move.

Cheers
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[Mike Bennett]

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[Mark G Fry]

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[KevinD]

Here’s Hazelbark’s reply on roads and charge distance:

[Mark G Fry]