Art De La Guerre

Mike Bennett

Does anyone know where to find the rule allowing a unit not to conform after melee if it would end up with an enemy hard flanking it in in melee support?

Ps I can find it related to uncontrolled charges, but not conformation.

SteveR · Signifer Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2018 Messages: 369

I dont think you can find it because I dont think it exists. I might be wrong of course but this has been my understanding. You are exempted from an uncontrolled charge but not a conformation.

The only good news is that you would fight as being attacked on the flank but would not lose a cohesion (page 61 special case)

Neep · Prétorien Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 298

I'm having trouble envisioning the circumstances where this would happen. Presumably you would almost immediately be in the ZoC of the would-be flanker, as so would have to move against it.

Mike Bennett · Post� le: Dim Avr 06, 2025 7:15 pm Sujet du message:

Yes you would be in 2 zocs. One from the unit you are conforming too, which is the most threatening enemy, and another from the hard flank.

A and B facing up, C facing left versus X and Y facing down

XYC
AB

X fights and destroys A
Y fights B who has C in melee support and Y gets destroyed. B abd C do not follow up.

Situation now

X_C
-B
Unless X moves it confirms to B. C becomes a hard flank / melee support

Neep · Prétorien Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 298

Yes, but this isn't "after melee". The unit has a chance to do something else.
I assume the question is about pursuit, which is only mandatory with impetuous and El, and would take some odd deployments by the enemy to achieve.
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Apologies Mike! I didn't realize you were asking the original question!
Ok pretty sure there is no rule against it. If you don't move away, you get stuck in a suboptimal situation.

Mike Bennett · Post� le: Dim Avr 06, 2025 9:48 pm Sujet du message:

Zoltan · Post� le: Dim Avr 06, 2025 10:51 pm Sujet du message:

KevinD · Post� le: Lun Avr 07, 2025 3:34 am Sujet du message:

Zoltan, but in this case it’s not in B’s ZOC until it starts to slide slightly in front of A (as ZOCs require you to be closer than 1 UD, not at 1 UD) and once it slides slightly in front of A, A is the most threatening enemy and hence the only one that is ZOCing it. Now if B started < 1 UD away it would be ZOCing the enemy before A and hence the enemy would not have to confirm per this errata. Or so I think….

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Mike Bennett · Post� le: Lun Avr 07, 2025 9:22 am Sujet du message:

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Mike Bennett · Post� le: Lun Avr 07, 2025 2:49 pm Sujet du message:

Ramses II · Post� le: Mar Avr 08, 2025 10:58 am Sujet du message:

Guys, this has already been answered here
https://www.artdelaguerre.fr/adlg/v3/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10467&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

In brief, X is in contact with B. Unless X moves away it must Conform.

It must comply with the definitions on p50.
As it is in contact but not in melee, it must conform on B (p51)
X is not in a ZoC, so there is no MTE (p35) and thus the errata does not apply.
X has to consider all enemy ZoCs that it enters, but here it is already in contact, so by definition it will enter the ZoC of B first.
Uncontrolled Charges of Impetuous units do not apply when in contact; so have no bearing on this matter.

Mike Bennett · Post� le: Mar Avr 08, 2025 11:29 am Sujet du message:

Ramses II · Post� le: Mar Avr 08, 2025 11:44 am Sujet du message:

Oops

Corrected