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AntiokosIII
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Inscrit le: 01 Aoû 2016 Messages: 23
Localisation: Salinas, California, USA
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Posté le: Mar Déc 20, 2016 6:54 pm Sujet du message: |
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I do not see how you can read that rule, disagree with Ethan, and still claim to be speaking English. It is quite clear. For once. _________________ Tabletop miniatures are the only completely honorable form of warfare ever invented. |
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Dickstick
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Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2016 Messages: 721
Localisation: West Bromwich
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Posté le: Mar Déc 20, 2016 9:57 pm Sujet du message: |
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Priceless from an American _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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Janos Hunyadi
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Inscrit le: 21 Oct 2016 Messages: 81
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Posté le: Mar Déc 20, 2016 11:19 pm Sujet du message: |
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I can see why you might read it that way. If you just read it literally in the context of the Unit Characteristics Table, it seems very specific about "MI".
I guess if they were specific in the first line LI,LMI,MI and Levies,
they could have been specific in the last line, and referred to MI and LMI.
That is the part that raises a little doubt.
I guess it would be "reasonable" to "assume" it applied to LMI as well.
It seems CV get the plus in rough/difficult terrain too.
When is LMI not MI ? when it evades (Javelinmen) or shoots. |
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Zoltan
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Inscrit le: 18 Jan 2015 Messages: 500
Localisation: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posté le: Mar Jan 03, 2017 6:27 am Sujet du message: |
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So where did this end up?
First round
Medium cavalry (without Impact bonus) get +1 against Medium Infantry but DO NOT get +1 against Light Medium Infantry.
Subsequent rounds
Medium Cavalry get +1 against both Medium Infantry and Light Medium Infantry.
This doesn't seem to me to be a translation error but rather a deliberate distinction by the author on the basis that the MI present a more dense target to the MC charging in. Or put another way, the LMI is a more dispersed target on impact. |
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daveallen
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Inscrit le: 28 Jan 2016 Messages: 758
Localisation: Rugby & CLWC
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Posté le: Mar Jan 03, 2017 6:50 am Sujet du message: |
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Zoltan a écrit: | So where did this end up?
First round
Medium cavalry (without Impact bonus) get +1 against Medium Infantry but DO NOT get +1 against Light Medium Infantry.
Subsequent rounds
Medium Cavalry get +1 against both Medium Infantry and Light Medium Infantry.
This doesn't seem to me to be a translation error but rather a deliberate distinction by the author on the basis that the MI present a more dense target to the MC charging in. Or put another way, the LMI is a more dispersed target on impact. |
Let's not get into this again. If you re-read the thread it's quite clear that [non-Impact] Cavalry are +2 -v- MI & LMI in round one and +1 in subsequent rounds.
Whether or not this problem is the result of a mis-translation or simply a difference in the way English and French are parsed I'm not qualified to say, but the fact that the question keeps cropping up suggests it needs clarifying in the FAQ. |
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lionelrus
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Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2009 Messages: 4803
Localisation: paris
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Posté le: Mar Jan 03, 2017 11:07 am Sujet du message: |
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The bonus applies again LMI and MI as El Kréator himself said. The debat has been in france 3 years ago and the answer written in french FAQ. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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ethan
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Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 354
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Posté le: Mar Jan 03, 2017 12:24 pm Sujet du message: |
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daveallen a écrit: |
Whether or not this problem is the result of a mis-translation or simply a difference in the way English and French are parsed I'm not qualified to say, but the fact that the question keeps cropping up suggests it needs clarifying in the FAQ. |
It already is in the FAQ on page 1.
"Medium spearmen
Q : When receiving a charge from a mounted, does a medium spearmen unit get the impact ability ?
A :If the mounted is not Impact, then yes. If the mounted is also impact, then the medium spearmen
Impact bonus is cancelled, as p 17.
Note : Only Heavy spearmen and pikemen keep their Impact against Impact mounted.
Examples :
A medium spearmen is charged by a Cv:
Medium spearmen = 1 + 1 Impact = +2
Cv = 1 + 1 bonus vs MI = +2
A medium spearmen is charged by an Impact Cv:
Medium spearmen = 1 + 0 (no Impact) =+1
Impact Cv = 1 + 0 (Impact cancelled by spearmen) =+1
Q : Does Longbows count as “bows†for the purposes of shooting at mounted ?
A : Yes, longbows have +1 for shooting versus mounted and reduce the target protection.
+1 bonus from mounted against MI and LMI
Q : If an impact Cv charges medium spearmen, it will lose the Impact. But does she then get the +1 bonus vs Mi
and LMi ?
A : No. This bonus doesn’t apply if the Cv already has Impact." |
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Dickstick
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Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2016 Messages: 721
Localisation: West Bromwich
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Posté le: Dim Jan 15, 2017 9:20 am Sujet du message: |
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The question is in but the answers not.
Last question in two questions
Answer only relates to first.
No were does it say LMI are same as MI. _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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madaxeman
Magister Militum

Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2014 Messages: 1599
Localisation: Londres Centraal.
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Posté le: Dim Jan 15, 2017 1:05 pm Sujet du message: |
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Dickstick a écrit: | The question is in but the answers not.
Last question in two questions
Answer only relates to first.
No were does it say LMI are same as MI. |
"Q : If an impact Cv charges medium spearmen, it will lose the Impact. But does she then get the +1 bonus vs Mi and LMi ? "
That's probably as clear as you will get until the next iteration of the FAQ _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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Dickstick
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Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2016 Messages: 721
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Posté le: Dim Jan 15, 2017 2:05 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes for that one impact factor.
My question is where does it say LMI are MI all the time.
Because why have LMI if people claim they are just MI. _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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footslogger
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Inscrit le: 12 Jan 2015 Messages: 166
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Posté le: Dim Jan 15, 2017 3:18 pm Sujet du message: |
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Dickstick a écrit: | Yes for that one impact factor.
My question is where does it say LMI are MI all the time.
Because why have LMI if people claim they are just MI. |
Can you give an example where it matters? |
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Dickstick
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Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2016 Messages: 721
Localisation: West Bromwich
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Posté le: Dim Jan 15, 2017 5:26 pm Sujet du message: |
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[quote="madaxeman"][quote="Dickstick"]The question is in but the answers not.
Last question in two questions
Answer only relates to first.
No were does it say LMI are same as MI.[/quote]
"Q : If an impact Cv charges medium spearmen, it will lose the Impact. But does she then get [b]the +1 bonus vs Mi and LMi [/b]? "
That's probably as clear as you will get until the next iteration of the FAQ[/quote]
So the only answer is NO then the bonus is not v MI And LMI just v MI as written in rule book?
So no change.
If one fails to answer both question separately you may not get the result one wishes. _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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Dickstick
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Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2016 Messages: 721
Localisation: West Bromwich
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Posté le: Dim Jan 15, 2017 5:45 pm Sujet du message: |
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[quote="footslogger"][quote="Dickstick"]Yes for that one impact factor.
My question is where does it say LMI are MI all the time.
Because why have LMI if people claim they are just MI.[/quote]
Can you give an example where it matters?[/quote]
It matters because any blanket cover all statement creates confusion and game delaying discussion
Both LMI and MI have to be listed together in ( from playsheet)
Destroying LI in open
Cavalry melee factors
Shooting ranges for bows
Expand/contract rates
Shooting resolution with bow v mounted.
Melee modifiers, foot in rough
If they are both the same why do this double listing? _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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footslogger
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Inscrit le: 12 Jan 2015 Messages: 166
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Posté le: Dim Jan 15, 2017 6:25 pm Sujet du message: |
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Let me rephrase. Can you give an example where there is still ambiguity? |
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Janos Hunyadi
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Inscrit le: 21 Oct 2016 Messages: 81
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Posté le: Dim Jan 15, 2017 9:01 pm Sujet du message: |
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slightly off on a tangent, this +1 against MF, does it apply in rough or difficult terrain too ?.
I know the Impact is negated, but the +1 versus MF, does this apply in any terrain ? |
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